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Coyote
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Message 361 of 372 (511780)
06-11-2009 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by RAZD
06-11-2009 7:16 PM


Re: hypothesis and validated theory: geological colum and the law of superposition
Yeah, but "What if... (fill in random creationist nonsense here)"

There, see! I've just invalidated everything you wrote in that long post.

/creationist mode

(As an aside: I have a bumper sticker that says "Archaeologists Assume Superposition" -- I get some strange looks!)

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Peg
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Message 362 of 372 (511782)
06-11-2009 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 360 by RAZD
06-11-2009 7:16 PM


Re: hypothesis and validated theory: geological colum and the law of superposition
thankyou for the information Radz, I am not denying the existence or validity of the geologic column. I can clearly see that the oldest layers are on the bottom and accept that 100%.

Razd writes:

One of those tests consists of a simple comparison of existing undisturbed sedimentary layers: if layer A is above layer B in one location, then whenever you can find both layer A and layer B in other locations, A will be above B. Another test is that where layer A is above layer B and layer B is above layer C, then whenever you can find layers A and C - with or without B (it may not extend as far as the other layers) - layer A will be above layer C.

Is there any place on earth where the column exists in its entirety?


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Message 363 of 372 (511784)
06-11-2009 9:43 PM
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06-11-2009 8:47 PM


Re: hypothesis and validated theory: geological colum and the law of superposition
Coyote writes:

I have a bumper sticker that says "Archaeologists Assume Superposition" -- I get some strange looks


I don't get it.

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Message 364 of 372 (511785)
06-11-2009 9:48 PM
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06-11-2009 9:14 PM


Entire column
Is there any place on earth where the column exists in its entirety?

Why does it matter? How likely is it that it would?

(actually I think there are a couple of places, depending on how you define "entire")


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Peg
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Message 365 of 372 (511790)
06-11-2009 10:12 PM
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06-11-2009 9:48 PM


Re: Entire column
NosyNed writes:

Why does it matter? How likely is it that it would?

how likely is it that it would not?


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Coyote
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Message 366 of 372 (511791)
06-11-2009 10:18 PM
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06-11-2009 9:43 PM


Brief off topic
Coyote writes:

I have a bumper sticker that says "Archaeologists Assume Superposition" -- I get some strange looks


I don't get it.

Some folks have dirty minds.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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roxrkool
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Message 367 of 372 (511793)
06-11-2009 10:33 PM
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06-11-2009 9:14 PM


Re: hypothesis and validated theory: geological colum and the law of superposition
In North Dakota. The geologic column exists from the Cambrian to the Quaternary.
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roxrkool
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Message 368 of 372 (511795)
06-11-2009 10:37 PM
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06-11-2009 8:47 PM


Re: hypothesis and validated theory: geological colum and the law of superposition
"Archaeologists Assume Superposition"

I'm certain that was stolen from the geologists........;)

My bumper stickers say, "Got Minerals?" and "If it isn't grown, it has to be mined."

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Message 369 of 372 (511796)
06-11-2009 10:42 PM
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06-11-2009 10:12 PM


Re: Entire column
NosyNed writes:

Why does it matter? How likely is it that it would?

how likely is it that it would not?


Here we see the difference between science and creation "science" in a nutshell.

Science spends decades or centuries exploring the world, gathering data, and proposing hypotheses to explain that data. The successful hypotheses gradually become accepted as theories because of their rigorous support and ability to make successful predictions.

Creation "scientists," operating from a religious belief, can't accept the findings of science and so propose various "What ifs..."

Now those "What ifs..." don't come with any supporting evidence, aren't subject to testing or verification by creation "scientists," and don't even have to form a cohesive body of supposition. Most often the "What ifs..." disagree with each other and are contradicted by the preponderance of scientific evidence.

But that's OK! We're doing creation "science" now, not real science.

All they have to do as creation "scientists" is raise sufficient doubt in the minds of their co-religionists and prospective converts so that they mistrust the scientific method and its findings. That is the ultimate goal of creation "science" -- the destruction of the scientific method and of real science, and its replacement by creation "science" -- in actuality religious dogma based on scripture and the bible. That creation "science" is the exact opposite of real science doesn't trouble them in the least.

Peg's comment seems to fit quite nicely into this category. It does not present any evidence or logical argument. It is strictly a "What if..." But in this case this is a elementary schoolyard "What if..." that amounts to nothing more than "Is not!"

In the stunted world of creation "science" this is considered a killer rebuttal, carrying the field and winning the day.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 370 of 372 (511798)
06-11-2009 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by Peg
06-11-2009 9:14 PM


Better places (topics) to learn about and discuss "The Geologic Column"
Is there any place on earth where the column exists in its entirety?

Recommended places to carry on this discussion:

First choice: Geologic Column

Also: Someone who admits he knows nothing about geology, asking where the colum came from?

Also: The Geologic Column

The last of these three is closed because of technical problems and/or topic damage.

Moose

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Message 371 of 372 (511799)
06-11-2009 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 362 by Peg
06-11-2009 9:14 PM


what does "geological colum" mean to geologists?
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See Message 24

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Message 372 of 372 (511802)
06-11-2009 11:36 PM


Blather messages - Also, topic has run its useful course
We've now well past 300 messages, and the topic has fragments to all kind of subtopics.

Also, we had off or non-topic blather messages at messages 342, 361, 363, 366, and 368, involving four different members (one who is soon to get two POTM cites from the non-admin mode, for other messages). Short suspensions almost happened.

Please note the "Geologic Column" topic links in message 370.

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