"And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life."
So, pairs of all the animals that ever existed were on the ark. All the creatures that we find fossilized in the "flood deposits" were on the ark. Multiply my food and water estimates by 100 then. 720,000 tons of cargo.
There's not enough space in the ark for the animals, let alone the cargo.
You've been taught to accept a myth as the truth, Repzion, I'm sorry to say.
quote:One immediately apparent error in Morris' 1974 reasoning is that he forgot the Flood! (how could he, the Father of Modern Flood Geology?) The present human population did not start with some un-named couple recently evicted from an un-named Garden, but rather with the 8 un-named passengers debarking from an un-named Ark at the end of a year-long voyage through an un-named world-wide Flood (isn't this game of "Hide the Bible" fun?). However, working with the ICR's dates for the Creation and Flood (c 8000 BCE and 4600 BCE), and applying Morris' human population model, James S. Monroe discovered some even more interesting "facts" about the antediluvian world. According to the ICR's premises, the world population at the time of the Flood would have been at least 7.2946 E+19 people, or 13,000 people per square foot over the entire earth's surface. And if the flood only happened 4000 years ago as other ICR works suggest, then the mass of people on earth just before the Flood would have exceeded the mass of the earth itself.
With such a huge ante-diluvial human population, where are all the human fossils? Human fossils should be mixed in with all those other animals that perished in the Flood. So where are the the human fossils in those "Fossil 'graveyards'" mentioned in Repzion's sources (first link, #4, and second link, #32)?
It's all very aproximate, anyway. My one litre of water per week per animal is very generous to the creationist side. Actually, young Rep needs to be pointed towards more up to date creationist stuff which will only have "kinds" on the ark, then an enormous amount of speeded up evolution in the last 5000 tears. I assume that the Ark problem is the main reason why AiG and others are pushing the idea of "kinds".
However, my point about lots of the herbivores requiring living plants to feed off is a good one. The Ark requires a large plantation on board, as well as a huge tank of fresh water.
The silly thing about all this is that the event requires magic from God anyway, so of course, he can solve all the problems by magic, which he has to do anyway after the flood, because a lot of the animals move so slowly that some kind of magic redistribution is necessary. I reckon that South American snails and sloths would just about be arriving on their home continent now, if there were land bridges available, which there aren't.
The text you quoted makes things very difficult for fludologists, on its own.
I sometimes wonder what we're doing, having arguments here that were already won in the nineteenth century. It's 2007. We're in a time warp!
I think you grossly under estimate the amount of food and fodder, not to mention water that would be required. I think the history of military logistics proves that point fairly well. Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army is an excellent resource in this area. For example a horse eats a mixture of 20 kg or feed and fodder a day with about 10 kg of water. I think your figures are under by orders of magnitude even. This is even assuming one could store such quantities of required resources. Ask any farmer what happens to wet hay after a matter of weeks.Idiots speak louder than words
The bible flood could not have happened because there are absolutley no complete gaps in civilizations accounting reccords for any of the feesible timing of the flood Egypt Numidia both sit right through the time the flood would have had to have occured how on earth could they have been totally wiped out because of the sin of man."An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Mahatma Gandhi
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Yet I wonder why there ar exactly ZERO accounts of ancient peoples describing their ancestors being cavemen. Why do you think that is?
Even though that is a totally irrelevant question when considering the Great Wetting that Never Happened, it is reasonable that no such tales exist.
Floods are a pretty common occurrence, they happen repeatedly and continue happening even today. Any "Cavemen" ancestors (and caveman i just a silly name suitable only for cartoons) lived many tens of thousands of years before modern language and writing methods were developed. The reason we don't have such tales is just time and the fact that humans evolved and went on to write stories about more exciting things.
The fact is, there never was a worldwide flood. It just plain never happened.