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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
I am interested in the potential for Human Interstellar Travel. Questions that need answers are (but not limited to):
1. Is interstellar travel even possible?2. How quickly could we get to a near star? 3. What technologies would be either theoretically possible or other (lunatic fringe)? 4. Presuming we go, what life forms would it be required to tag along? 5. What physiological/genetic changes should we consider for H. sapiens space travel? My current thinking is that we go to the nearest star and build a space station there, if there is no planet/moon that could be colonized, and then use that as a jumping off point for further hopping. If we could go at 0.5c it would take about 10 years. Colonizing Mars could act as a technological and physiological experiment station. BTW, I am not a big SciFi fan, but I do think we will eventually colonize the galaxy, without FTL travel. This is just a first draft of such a thread and there will be a lot of biology involved and technical pieces.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
Does anyone know about Solar Sails?
Simple question (which is beyond my biological mind). If you accelerate a body to 0.5c in space and turn off the engines, how long would it take for the "friction" of space to slow it down? Or why does space travel require continuous burn of engines (which I have read elsewhere)? Biological questions. How do we keep muscle tone up for extended periods of time? Anyone have any ideas on birth in space and the effect on infants? Is artificial gravity a reality or just Sci Fi?
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
What would be a reasonably safe speed?
Could a nuclear power plant be feasible?
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
Two things more.
1. Cannot a slingshot mechanism be used for deceleration?2. A habitable planet, IMO, will almost definitely be occupied by some life forms. Without any data (nobody has any), I think all planets with appropriate physical conditions will be inhabited. If we are worried about native life forms, we might as well stay home, or stay in space. I think the universe in crawling with life.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
What I mean is a negative slingshot - let a body's gravity absorb some of the spaceship's momentum. The ship could even get captured and then break free at lower velocity using it's engines. It seems to me that this could work at least partially in order to conserve fuel.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
I have been considering plants, animals and genetics. Right now we are rapidly sequencing genomes. I don't think we would need to take a dog. What we would need is a Master Stem Cell (for lack of a better word) that could turn into anything (maybe Mother Egg would be better). The rest would be a database of genomes and a DNA synthesizer. By the time we are ready to go this will be quite possible. We could make anything we needed. Talk about directed evolution
Also the first ones there could be robots to make the place ready for the wimpy humans who arrive later.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
"This is conceptually plausable according to the laws of physics I suppose. However, the problem I see with this is more of an issue with human intolerance to high g-forces. How can we go from near c speeds (or even 0.5 c) to 0 without creating insanely high g-forces? I would imagine that even to get captured by a solar system's gravity and be swung aroung to reduce it's velocity (like a comet captured by the sun) would still entail high g-force. Any one have a solution to this problem?"
Multiple passes.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
It's everything. History, environment, language, society, and oh yes, DNA. Perhaps a way to bridge the gap between the home planet and a freshly seeded population of humans would be anthropomorphic androids trained to raise a new human generation and a vast library containing art, history, primers on human society, etc. Humans are quite adaptable and I see no reason why new populations need be carbon copies of Earth's. Indeed, new planets would probably demand differences. Do you mean copying, or just borrowing things that would apply to a new planet? Evolution would soon take care of that anyway.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
I was only looking at the reverse slingshot as a means of requiring less fuel for deceleration. If it is not feasible then I need to find something else. It's also why I asked about "space friction", pondering whether that might help in deceleration, or require extra fuel to support a constant velocity. I admit to being out of my biological playing field with these musings.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
What's the fastest speed any of our space junk has attained?
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
Shalamabobbi
We have previously written about two vehicles called Helios launched to study the Sun during the 1970s. Both of these probes attained maximum speeds of around 150,000 mph (250,000 km/h) at closest approach to the Sun in their highly elliptical orbits. Helios 2 was slightly faster than its twin craft, and this probe still holds the speed record as not only the fastest spacecraft but also the fastest manmade object in history. So we'd have to do 1000x to make star hopping viable (about 0.2c). 100X I can see, but technology may get us there. I am optimistic. 25 years is not too much to ask of a ship and crew. Where do I sign up?
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
alaninnont said:
I have serious doubts in our ability to colonize other planets. To colonize a planet we would need a large portion of the conditions we have on earth. Attempts at long term stays in sealed biospheres here on earth have failed. We are a relatively fragile species with specific needs in temperature, atmosphere, nutrition, pressure, radiation, emotional support, and G force. Even if we found a planet with many of earth's conditions, an absence of an important nutrient could easily result in failure. If you take a look at our population growth curve and pollution production trends, you will see that they are not sustainable in the long term. I think we will run out of resources or poison ourselves with our own waste before we develop the technologies for getting to habitable planets. I could see the possibility of creating a space ship that spins to create centripital force simulating gravity for long term travel but the vastness of space makes the colonization of a planet a formidable task. The other reason for my doubt is the absence of aliens....... I am sorry you have such a low opinion of your species. I am much more optimistic, but, yes, need may drive the necessary invention. You have evidence for the absence of aliens? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. After all they would face the same problems that we have and may be a long way off.
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Sarawak Member (Idle past 5503 days) Posts: 47 Joined: |
Unsustainable growth does not imply extinction of the species.
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