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crashfrog
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Message 97 of 110 (254959)
10-26-2005 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by MangyTiger
10-26-2005 9:48 PM


Re: Riddle of the Pink Unicorn
If you are replying on assumptions or common sense or cultural norms then I don't think you can really call it a logic problem.
I think, in fact, that he's relying on the absence of assumptions for you to arrive at the answer. In the context of a logic problem - which is different than a word problem, or riddle - the nouns are really nothing more than placeholders; it's the relationships described between them, and often modeled "behind-the-scenes" in predicate logic, which form the basis of the puzzle.
On the other hand, a riddle like "If King Midas sits on gold, who sits on silver?" depends entirely on your ability to understand and catch onto allusions to shared cultural elements.

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 101 of 110 (255161)
10-27-2005 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by MangyTiger
10-26-2005 11:15 PM


Re: Riddle of the Pink Unicorn
Having said that I still think there is an implicit assumption in MTW's puzzle, namely that the only factor affecting the movement of the object is the defined preference of time.
That's sort of a creationist position - the idea that "assume no other influences" is itself a positive assumption that must be defended, rather than simply the lack of any other positive assumptions. And erroneous, as far as I can see.
No other factors are assumed because no other factors are specified. The idea that it's not reasonable to dismiss unspecified factors comes from your improper assumption about Joe; that what would tend to be true about a human man - he's got a job he needs to be at, or a home in one or another city, or other factors - must neccesarily be true for the noun named "Joe."
In the context of a logic problem, it doesn't matter what the word "Joe" refers to. The only qualities that are relevant to the problem are specified in the problem. That's how logic problems work.
You're trying to solve a logic problem with the tools you'd use for a riddle. No wonder you have a tough time with them.
Crashfrog writes:
"If King Midas sits on gold, who sits on silver?"
The Lone Ranger.

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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1489 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 104 of 110 (255288)
10-28-2005 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by MangyTiger
10-27-2005 9:44 PM


Re: Riddle of the Pink Unicorn
If it isn't in the real world why isn't it specified along the lines of 'There are four locations A, B, C and and an object (or entity?) X which can move between them and so on...' ?
For interest or readability.
If it helps you to frame the question in that regard, and substitute variables for names, you're absolutely free to do so, because it's a logic problem.
I'm off to Paris (in the real world ) in a couple of hours so I won't be around until Monday, so if you reply I'm not ignoring you I'm just enjoying myself in one of the greatest cities on Earth.
Hey, have a great time. Eat a croque monsieur for me.

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