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mike the wiz
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Message 76 of 110 (253661)
10-21-2005 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Parasomnium
10-21-2005 10:48 AM


Re: Careful!
This just proves I have no business telling the armyman anything, doesn't it? :D

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Omnivorous
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Message 77 of 110 (253664)
10-21-2005 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by nwr
10-20-2005 2:42 PM


Re: My attempted tautologies
nwr writes:

The new hospital will be successful or not

Yes, that's a tautology.

Seems rather a false dilemma, since success is not measured so discretely either-or: thus I can imagine (in fact, observe) a world where "The new hospital will be successful or not" excludes possible (and observed) outcomes, e.g., "struggling but achieving much." The hospital statement is neither valid nor true in all possible worlds.


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Omnivorous
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Message 78 of 110 (253665)
10-21-2005 11:11 AM
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10-21-2005 10:48 AM


Re: R U being facetious young animal?
I confess to a mischievous nature on even my best days.

But picking out logical fallacies is a lot like picking nats...er, nits, checking carefully with a fine comb.

Actually, the discussion of fallacies just looked liked fun, and I wanted to join in my own merry way.


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Message 79 of 110 (253667)
10-21-2005 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by mike the wiz
10-21-2005 10:11 AM


Re: Logic can be moot itself
Oops! :)

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mike the wiz
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Message 80 of 110 (253670)
10-21-2005 11:19 AM
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10-21-2005 11:11 AM


Re: R U being facetious young animal?
Fair enough. It just seems everyone is correcting my notes. I suppose they think I'm fair game, in that I lack overall-knowledge/education.

It's true, I lack knowledge, but I am atleast reasonably smart in atleast some areas, so it kind of irritates me when people are teaching me things I already know.

Forgive my angry young animal trying to break forth on your angry young vulnerable newbie-dino.:) I think I'm just in a bad mood today.


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Omnivorous
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Message 81 of 110 (253680)
10-21-2005 11:52 AM
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10-21-2005 11:19 AM


Re: R U being facetious young animal?
Fair enough. It just seems everyone is correcting my notes. I suppose they think I'm fair game, in that I lack overall-knowledge/education.

I think it's just the give-and-take context of this site (and I don't mean that as a correction), and you seem sharp enough to me.

I don't know where you stand in your education, but a quarter century ago I was a 30-year-old college freshman; I spent six years, 12 months a year, on a full-time class schedule, having the time of my life. But in the years since, none of my employment has been directly related. Some of the most intelligent, insightful people are neither academics nor academically trained; some folks think outside the box because they were never stuffed into one.

Formal education is great, but I'd rather engage a keen mind than a well-drilled one.


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Message 82 of 110 (253681)
10-21-2005 11:57 AM
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10-21-2005 1:14 AM


Re: My attempted tautologies
true. i suppose.

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mike the wiz
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Message 83 of 110 (253683)
10-21-2005 12:02 PM
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10-21-2005 11:52 AM


Re: R U being facetious young animal?
some folks think outside the box because they were never stuffed into one.

Lol. Thanks for sharing that. It's interesting that your employment didn't relate to the knowledge you gained. So feel free to share it here, and ignore my cranky mood.

It's just one of those days, you know, where the slightest thing annoys you for no apparent reason.


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Omnivorous
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Message 84 of 110 (253746)
10-21-2005 4:09 PM
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10-21-2005 12:02 PM


Re: R U being facetious young animal?
mike the wiz writes:

Lol. Thanks for sharing that. It's interesting that your employment didn't relate to the knowledge you gained. So feel free to share it here, and ignore my cranky mood.

Feh! Cranky!?

To paraphrase comments made to Dan Quayle when in debate he compared himself to John Kennedy:

Mike, I know cranky: cranky is my friend. I have worked with cranky for many years, and I can tell you one thing for sure...

Mike, you are no cranky.

I will take you up on your offer to share on that subject sometime soon, perhaps in a Coffee House thread. Gotta run.


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arachnophilia
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Message 85 of 110 (253933)
10-22-2005 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by macaroniandcheese
10-20-2005 12:55 PM


Re: Logically my position is correct compared to Shraff's
islam accepts that christianity and judaism recognize the same god (i think i've decided we don't return the favor) but think that our methods are screwy.

think of the way some christians often regard jews. that's the way a some muslims regard both christians AND jews.

neither is really acceptable within the mainstream religion, or the texts, but it does happen. ideally, islam should easily fit together with christianity and judaism, but it doesn't.

i don't see why pagans wouldn't accept a christian god into their pantheon.

because the christian god IS exclusionary. he rules out all other gods.

i think the only religions that are really exclusive, are the big three... you can only be one of those... you can't really be a christian and a jew. it doesn't work. (with jew here representing a religious not a cultural aspect.)

you accuse me of being jewish all the time, dear. :P


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arachnophilia
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Message 86 of 110 (253934)
10-22-2005 12:49 AM
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10-20-2005 12:34 PM


Re: Logically my position is correct compared to Shraff's
bush's strategy in iraq was theoretically flawed. if there's peace in iraq in 20 years, all the better. it doesn't mean he was right; it just means he beat the odds.

luck.

dumb luck.


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Message 87 of 110 (253936)
10-22-2005 1:45 AM
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10-22-2005 12:49 AM


Re: Logically my position is correct compared to Shraff's
1. that's what i said.

2. that's why the christians won't accept pagans not the other way around.

3. cause it's funny.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 88 of 110 (253937)
10-22-2005 1:46 AM
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10-22-2005 12:49 AM


Re: Logically my position is correct compared to Shraff's
rocks have higher iqs.

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Thugpreacha
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Message 89 of 110 (253939)
10-22-2005 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by macaroniandcheese
10-20-2005 12:58 PM


Definitions for the Phatically challenged
Websters writes:

tautology \to-ta-le-je\ n, pl -gies : needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word; also : an instance of such repetition tautological \tot-el-a-ji-kel\ adj tautologically \-ji-k(e-)le\ adv tautologous \to-ta-le-ges\ adj tautologously adv

Needless repetition? Are you suggesting that there is only one key sentence to solving each riddle? Or are we in the twenty dollar wordfest, this evening????

(Good job on the puzzles, BTW everyone! :)

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A youth is a person who is going to carry on what you have started. He will assume control of your cities, states, and nations. He is going to take over your churches, schools, and corporations. You may adopt all the policies you please, but how they are carried out depends on him. So it might be well to pay him some attention.

In the soothing thoughts that spring
Out of human suffering;
In the faith that looks through death, In years that bring the philosophic mind.--- Wordsworth


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arachnophilia
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Message 90 of 110 (254122)
10-23-2005 5:49 AM
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10-22-2005 1:45 AM


Re: Logically my position is correct compared to Shraff's
1. that's what i said.

what, you don't think i actually READ what you have to say, do you? :P (j/k)

2. that's why the christians won't accept pagans not the other way around.

what i'm saying is that on yahweh's kindergarten report card, it said "does not play well with others."

3. cause it's funny.

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