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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Priceless. It's like how all these super-conservative gay haters on the Right are all either gay themselves or have a close gay relative. I mean it's not even a cliche anymore, it's like a physical law.
What I love is the woman who comes in to get her daughter an abortion, and the daughter asserts how she doesn't need contraception because she's going to wait until marriage. Like, what? I suppose you just fell out of a tree? I love too how all the anti-abortionists getting abortions call everyone around them murderers except themselves. Sorry, but hiring someone to kill someone is still murder. AbE: I should say - I don't actually love these things; they just give me a rueful sense of satisfaction at the thought of someone being exposed to the harsh reality that contradicts their cherished worldview. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-23-2006 05:11 PM
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Ever objected to someones behaviour which you know you yourself have at some point done? Different situation. These people are electing behaviors that they described as moral outrages in the past, and then continue to do so after the behavior, because they believe that nothing is immoral when they do it. In other words, hypocrites.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
...and have done it again subsequent to your objection to their doing it. Actually, no. I try not to judge others for doing things that I myself am quite guilty of. I try not to do things that I believe are wrong, of course, and I usually don't except by mistake; recognizing this about myself, I take a liberal view towards the behavior of others. But then, I'm not a Christian.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Most of these people who are for abortion, should be helping the world not have unwanted pregnancies, but you don't see that. No, actually the opposite is true. Pro-choice organizations continually and vocally lobby for improved access to birth control, sexual education, and other means that have a proven effectiveness in preventing unwanted pregnancy and the spread of STD's. On the other hand, not a single anti-abortion organization has come out in favor of birth control. Not a single one. Absolutely none of these organizations have lifted a finger in support of birth control, not ever. It's the anti-abortion crowd that does absolutely nothing at all to prevent unwanted pregnancy.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Some pro-life artist decided to "memorialize" Britny Spears and her act of reproduction (a feat that any two compatible idiots are, unfortunately, more than capable of) in the worst piece of sculpture I've ever seen: "Monument to Pro-Life: The Birth of Sean Preston"
quote: From Just a moment... (not exactly safe for work, or for any sense of asthetic you might possess - it's hideous - from the angle they don't show, apparently there's an obvious portrayal of little Sean "crowning" out the backside of Ms. Spears) Best rejected title for the piece: "The sex doll I was making but somebody caught me so now I'm pretending it's a Britney Spears monument". Some immediate objections to the piece: 1) Ms. Spears isn't exactly a wholesome role model.2) You can't give birth in the downward facing dog posture. 3) Even if you could, the piece is inaccurate - Spears' delivery was by surgical elective C-section. Being made of malleable clay, I give this monstrosity about a week before it's defaced in several fairly obscene ways.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It really does solve a whole lot of physical, and mental issues. No, actually, it causes these issues. Frequent sexual activity is connected to reduced stress, less incidence of depression, and in general, more healthy living.
Ever see the movie 40 year old virgin? Steve Carell is your model for a life with no physical or mental issues?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
that assumes that guys would be responsible. What leads you to believe that's an erroneous assumption? I mean, the way it is now, men have three options - permanent vascetomy, condoms that interfere with sexual sensation or may trigger latex allergies, or rely on his partner's responsibility in following a birth control regimen. I hate - hate - to see men so casually dismiss the idea of male birth control. What, you don't think men deserve reproductive choice?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
what leads me to believe that guys would not responsible? other than being a guy myself? like i said, it takes two. if the woman is not being responsible, what makes you think the man would be? I guess I don't understand this line of argumentation. What do the people who aren't responsible have to do with the men who want some kind of transparent birth control? And what does the woman have to do with it? Like I said I'm simply not following what you're trying to say, here. Men who aren't responsible won't bother with birth control at all. Men who do want better birth control are, by definition, more responsible. I don't see how irresponsible men have anything to do with it at all.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Do people really see the crushing of a foetus' skull roughly along the same lines as they do a mousetrap hammer popping the eyes out of the sockets of those pesky mice that invade the house every fall? Yes. Why shouldn't I? What causes you to believe that the fetus has any more human self-awareness than the mouse? Or that an unwanted fetus has any more right to live in someone's body than mice have a right to live in someone's house? What your quote fails to mention, by the way, is that D&E is rarely used. It's rarely necessary when abortions can be chemically induced. The few times that D&E is necessary is when the mother's health is directly threatened or when legal obstructions to abortion delay her access to the procedure. That's right - as awful as they find the procedure, anti-abortion groups have caused far more D&E abortions than they have prevented. How's that for ironic?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well, if you say so.
A lot of people aren't kidding, though, and honestly this is something its time we stopped joking around about. Every pharmaceutical company has a male birth control formula that works, but not a single one of them has put anything forward into FDA trials because they don't believe they have a product that anyone will buy.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Not in teens. Mm-hm. And I'm supposed to just take your word for that?
I know a few virgins, and they seem pretty healthy to me. Yeah? The most fucked-up guy I know was a 27-year-old virgin. He was the exact opposite of pure. He was like a starved animal. Politically and theologically, you'd probably like him. If I ever meet him again, and he lives afterwards, it will be the result of a considerable act of will on my part.
I would think that sex causes more diseases/problems (physical/mental) than it cures. Well, there's your problem right there. Sex doesn't cause disease.
I am not talking about healthy monogamous sex between 2 people that love each other, and are married. Ah, right, of course - because sex is physiologically different when the participants are married.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It is not I who is doing the advocating, it is the Lord God who has dictated His righteous laws. God has proclaimed that the wages of sin is DEATH. Spiritual death, as I understand it; but beyond that, God has also dictated that any woman who wants an abortion need merely drink a draught created from, among other things, the dust of a temple floor, and God will provide her with an abortion. The temple priest is supposed to help with this procedure. God's will is that human beings have the right to reproducive choice. That's the inescapable conclusion of the Bible.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well technically not desease, but health issues. What health issues?
If everyone stopped having sex, and doing drugs, on the planet for 100 years, it would disappear, Well, of course it would - all humanity would be extinct. There'd be no hosts for the virus.
If it's so safe and healthy, then go have unprotected sex with a 1000 woman, and then talk to me. Ah, right. Because the only two options are total abstinence or profligate promiscuity.
Plus since we really just don't know how it evolved, it may have well been caused by sex initially. You really don't know anything about sexual intercourse, do you? "Hey, it causes babies to appear - why couldn't it cause a virus to appear, too?"
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Biology does not equal science. Oh, sure. That's completely reasonable. The study of life? Absolutely irrelevant to science. Has nothing to do with it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Numbers 5. Can't be more specific.
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