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Buzsaw
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Message 211 of 237 (461063)
03-21-2008 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Taz
03-21-2008 12:24 AM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
True Believer, likely nobody has taken the time to listen to all those ranting messages from way back. That would be quite a feat, very time consuming and likely very depressing. There are more than 30 seconds of stuff out. I don't know how much it would all come to. I know I've heard & seen video of him chastising America for supporting terrorism on the Palestinians, clearly implicating Israel. Mobiogirl has missed that and likely you too. If I run across it again I'll cite it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 212 of 237 (461065)
03-21-2008 8:04 PM


Wright Is Afrocentrist.
I wonder how many of you saw the clip where Wright alleges that Jesus was a "poor black boy" who was persecuted by the white Romans?
Wright's Afrocentrism is quite evident given the above and given his close cozy ties with the Nation of Islam Afrocentrists who's constituency, btw, is huge and growing in America. This is likely where much of Obama's early support came from.
If Barack becomes president, likely he will be beholden to many of his Afrocentrist supporters with appointments and various paybacks.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Taz
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Message 213 of 237 (461067)
03-21-2008 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 8:04 PM


Re: Wright Is Afrocentrist.
Buzsaw writes:
If Barack becomes president, likely he will be beholden to many of his Afrocentrist supporters with appointments and various paybacks.
Let me get this straight. For a very long time, you people have been preaching that Jesus was a poor white boy persecuted by the damn Jews. Does this mean that the various conservative *white* politicians have been beholden by anglocentrist supporters with appointments and various paybacks? Am I missing something here?

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Taz
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Message 214 of 237 (461068)
03-21-2008 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 7:36 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
Personally, I don't care that much since I'm neither religious nor an Obama supporter. And frankly, I think we've spent too much time talking about this when there are more important issues at hand, like how our veterans are not being properly taken care of.

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DrJones*
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Message 215 of 237 (461069)
03-21-2008 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 7:27 PM


Re: Huckabee on Obama and Wright
he thinks rich whitey has always run the nation
Rich Whitey Has always run your nation. When was the last time a poor black man was president?
, being the reason for America's problems
Where has Obama said that rich whitey was the reason for America's problems?
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
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molbiogirl
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Message 216 of 237 (461070)
03-21-2008 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 7:36 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
Mobiogirl has missed that and likely you too.
Molbiogirl did no such thing.
There were 2 clips: one 6 minute, one 4 minute. I posted both links upthread.
Since that post, three clips have been added: one 5 minutes 50 seconds, one 1 minute 59 seconds and one 4 minutes 14 seconds.
In 2 of the new clips (5:50 and 1:59), Rev. Wright says nothing but nice stuff.
The 4:14 clip is the "Palestinian" clip to which you refer. It is the same as the 4 minute clip that was posted earlier, with a 14 second snippet added at the beginning.
Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2FCJ7zWEQ
And here is the extra 14 seconds:
We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yard. American chickens . comin’ home . to roost.
32 years of sermons and you are judging the man on 10 minutes and 14 seconds of video.

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Buzsaw
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Message 217 of 237 (461073)
03-21-2008 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Taz
03-21-2008 8:17 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
The possibility of an implicated Afrocentrist socialist being elected to the most powerful position in on the planet is not really important?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 218 of 237 (461075)
03-21-2008 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by molbiogirl
03-21-2008 8:39 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
So why then did you try to alledge that Wright didn't say anything relative to Israel as per my claim?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 219 of 237 (461079)
03-21-2008 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by DrJones*
03-21-2008 8:27 PM


Re: Huckabee on Obama and Wright
DJ writes:
Rich Whitey Has always run your nation. When was the last time a poor black man was president?
Where has Obama said that rich whitey was the reason for America's problems?
DJ, why do you keep calling for responses to simple go figure stuff like this?
1. How many times do I need to say all who have had to do with the running of this nation have not been rich.
2. I don't remember saying Obama said that rich whitey was the reasons for America's problems. If I did, please cite it so I can correct it to his pastor/mentor Wright which has been my position.
Obama and his family have likely heard the pastor has made that claim on more than one occasion.
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix quote

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Silent H
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Message 220 of 237 (461080)
03-21-2008 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 9:07 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
I'm going to answer your earlier reply to me in this post, as well as taking on this...
So why then did you try to alledge that Wright didn't say anything relative to Israel as per my claim?
If I remember right, her objection has been to your claim he said something antisemitic, not something against Israel.
I can accept someone arguing for the state of Israel, but I hate it when people conflate anti-Israel with antisemitism. Those are not the same thing. Just as anti-Nazi was not anti-European.
You are correct that Obama is more my kind of guy, but ironically this has nothing to do with his view of Israel. In fact, as far as I can tell he holds an opposing view on that nation than myself. He has only given strong support for Israel, which make your comments about him ridiculous. I support him despite my disagreement on that (and a couple of other issues) because of his strong position on important issues I think are more important, as well as seeming like a very calm, level headed person.
I didn't see Obama making such statements about race as you have claimed. And if he did I would drop him in a second, as I would not think him capable of leading the country where I'd like to see it going.
At least if you would stick to attacking his positions, I'd have a lot more respect for yours. This guilt by association stuff is lame.
Edited by Silent H, : lil fix

h
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DrJones*
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Joined: 08-19-2004
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Message 221 of 237 (461081)
03-21-2008 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 9:17 PM


Re: Huckabee on Obama and Wright
DJ, why do you keep calling for responses to simple go figure stuff like this?
Dunno, why do you keep repeating bullshit stuff that is so easy to challenge?
How many times do I need to say all who have had to do with the running of this nation have not been rich.
No one is saying everyone who has been in US government has been white and rich, just the vast majority.
I don't remember saying Obama said that rich whitey was the reasons for America's problems
It was right in the message that i replied to:
He's a liberal socialist, he thinks rich whitey has always run the nation, being the reason for America's problems
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3291 days)
Posts: 5069
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Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 222 of 237 (461083)
03-21-2008 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 9:02 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
Buzsaw writes:
The possibility of an implicated Afrocentrist socialist being elected to the most powerful position in on the planet is not really important?
The possibility of an implicated Anglocentrist socialist being elected to the most powerful position in and on the planet is not really important?

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molbiogirl
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Posts: 1909
From: MO
Joined: 06-06-2007


Message 223 of 237 (461084)
03-21-2008 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Buzsaw
03-21-2008 9:07 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
So why then did you try to alledge that Wright didn't say anything relative to Israel as per my claim?
Because the 4:14 version was posted 6 days ago, you tard.

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Buzsaw
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Message 224 of 237 (461135)
03-22-2008 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Taz
03-21-2008 10:41 PM


Re: Transcript of Obama Speech
TB writes:
The possibility of an implicated Anglocentrist socialist being elected to the most powerful position in and on the planet is not really important?
Anglocentrist?
1. For many decades no white presidential candidate has been longtime associated with people and organizations which espouse vocal and agressive Angocentrist agendas. This is the 21st century where fomenting racism is counterproductive to the current laws of the land and government policy.
2. Obama's association with socialists and Afrocentrists would be analogous to McCain having close ties to the KKK and white supremist organizations. Politically Obama's extreme leftist/socialist positions would be analogous to McCain being closely associated with ultra right extremists.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 225 of 237 (461142)
03-22-2008 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by DrJones*
03-21-2008 9:41 PM


Re: Clarification Of Buzsaw Claim
DJ writes:
No one is saying everyone who has been in US government has been white and rich, just the vast majority.
Buzsaw writes:
I don't remember saying Obama said that rich whitey was the reasons for America's problems
It was right in the message that i replied to:
OK, DJ, thanks. I see the need to clarify my point in that message. My point was that socialists agree with the Wright contention that the rich are the source of America's problems.
Wright, the Afrocentrist and most socialists would agree that the rich capitalists are the source of America's problems. Both advocate government solutions to effect economic equality rather than free enterprise, work ethic and assumption of personal responsibility for achievement.
Their agenda is to absolve the poor, the criminal element and the under-achievers of personal responsibility, to discourage private enterprise, diminish personal freedom and to empower government to enforce racial, economic and social parity.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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