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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, John's Gospel is really, really different from the other three, and much more symbolic in nature. Do you have a book called "Gospel Parallels"?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But I thought that we couldn't trust statistics. Isn't that your opinion, that we can't trust statistics because some of them are fixed and/or wrong? You are contradicting yourself now. Which is it? Are statitics to be trusted or not?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Do you have a book called "Gospel Parallels"? nope.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1343 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I just told rhain, but now I will tell you. He came to fulfill the law. Once it was fulfilled it could change. again.
quote: no part of the old law was abolished by jesus. i'm sorry, that's what the bible says he said. you can't claim to believe the bible and disagree with that. and if you do, well, then being gay is certainly ok, since everything else is too, because jesus abolished the law. or, are you picking and choosing now?
The parable of eye for an eye. it's not a parable, and i covered this.
Jesus's 2 greatest commandments. as with the last example, there is a difference between the letter of the law, and the spirit of those under it. jesus doesn't talk much about laws, but personal morality.
Be more specific. http://EvC Forum: I want one good reason that being gay is ok -->EvC Forum: I want one good reason that being gay is ok
Explain that one. if you don't get the first one, you won't get the second. if jesus was divine, perhaps you'd favor the gnostic texts, which actually separate jesus the man and jesus the god at some points, since material creation is, well, immaterial.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No individual marriage is the same as any other. My marriage is not at all like my parent's marriage, for example, nor is it like my brother's marriage, nor is it like either one of my sisters' marriages (particularly one of them). What's your point?
quote: Creating a successful marriage isn't easy, but the benefits are wonderful if it's worked at and undertaken seriously. I wouldn't describe the institution as "screwed up". When did you become an anti-marriage activist?
quote: Agreed.
quote: Many gay people have children and raise them. There are many gay folks in my town who have adopted kids, and of course you have completely forgotten about the fact that lesbians can get artificially inseminated. Also, straight people who choose not to have children also have it "easier" according to you. Do you propose that these people shouldn't be allowed to get married?
quote: What makes you think that one's partner being of the opposite gender makes that big of a difference in how the couples get along in a marriage? Please be specific.
quote: So, are you trying to say that couples who, according to your particular personal standards, have marriage "easier", shouldn't be allowed to get married because you perceive that you work harder?
quote: Marriage in the US IS A LEGAL, SECULAR CONTRACT as far as the state is concerned. As far as the US government is concerned, all you have with YOUR spouse is a legal contract, nothing more. OTOH, you do realize that you insult and demean couples who choose not to have children (like my husband and I) as not being a family, don't you?
quote: What rights? Nowhere in your post did you list any rights that I would be losing.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Prove it. Nobody with a sexual orientation - that is, any human being - has ever felt that they had a choice about it. Why would anybody choose to be gay? It means social ostracism, to some degree, discrimination, and actual threats of violence against one's person. What, the food's better or something? It's simply ludicrous to suggest that it's a choice. Think about your own reaction to the thought of same-sex activity. What on Earth would make anyone choose it? If literally no human being feels that their sexual orientation was something they had a choice about, it's just stupid to try to pretend that it's a choice.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Let's change your statement a bit. Interesting how it would have worked 50 years ago...
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[quote]Yes I have complained about it, but money costs is not what really bothers me. It costs me in other ways. Its going to force me to accept what I do not wish to accept. If colored people and white people just have sex, I don't care, and I don't have to accept it. If you make it legal, then I have to accept it. There will be many things that happen because of this.Our lives are going to change, and in the long run it won't be for the better.[quote] You do realize that being gay and having gay sex is currently legal, don't you? You really are terribly homophobic, and that's not healthy. It's irrational and unfounded.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It's that "negotiating gender challenge" thing that makes it different. But since that's the least challenging thing facing a married couple, it's hardly worth speaking about. Moreover it's stupid to suggest that since gay people might face less challenges, they have less of a marriage. Rich people aren't faced with the majority of married challenges you and I are - financial obligations, household duities, etc - are you trying to tell me that rich people can't actually have marriages?
Where striaght sex have to always worry that a baby might pop out. Unless they're infertile. Are infertile people "less" married?
You earned that leagal contract IMo because you want to start a family. A family consisting of me and my wife. Same as gay people.
I am not convinced that same-sex couples make better parents, than striaght couples. Well, I predict that since they're generally higher-income than your average straight parent (due to the monetary cost of overcoming the fertility problem) they're in all likelyhood able to provide a better environment than your average straight person. I could probably dig up some stats, but why bother if you're already just making stuff up off the top of your head? I can play that game too.
Your a woman now, did you know that? Well, a quick check down the front of my pants puts that to the lie. If you really need me to I can scan my junk and email it to you, but that might weird out your wife.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, just like having heterosexual sex, or sterile sex is a choice. BEING GAY IS NOT A CHOICE, however. Ask any gay person if they chose to be gay. Ask any straight person if they chose to be straight. How many men did you have sex with before you decided that you didn't like it?
quote: Sterilization, in my husband's case, was most definitely a choice. It's called a v-a-s-e-c-t-o-m-y. The female version is a t-u-b-a-l l-i-g-a-t-i-o-n. So, are you saying that people who choose to become sterile shouldn't be allowed to marry?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: My husband and I got married because we wanted to get married. We have never wanted children, neither of us, ever. He has recently gotten a vasectomy. According to you, we don't have a "real" marriage nor a "real" family. You can bite me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Since you cannot procreate, you haven't had sex since you became sterile, right?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, God actually wanted you to have more children than you could afford to feed, clothe, house, and educate? I guess getting saved makes you irresponsible with your reproduction, huh?
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nator Member (Idle past 2169 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I think you'd like "Gospel Parallels".
It presents the Gospels side by side so you can compare them.
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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5013 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
quote: Does this mean you have watched your parents having sex, repeatedly? And I'm with Dan on this one, I am a stud when it comes to sex. I must average 10 times a day, and some of that in public.
quote: Actually we were hoping you might explain why you are against it. It is difficult to have a discussion when you don't know what the other party's beef is with a perfectly simple situation. All of the people who are arguing with you simply don't feel it is wrong at all. Since it isn't wrong then it must be OK. You don't seem willing to explain why that isn't the case. And I'm just not buying the "mental anguish" angle. I see and read things every day that bother me to one degree or another but that doesn't make them wrong.
quote: Did you hold this view before you became a Christian or after? If the answer is after then, as per you opening post, this isn’t a relevant reason.
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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5013 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
quote: No, She was told the truth. This is not trickery.
quote: This is off topic but I have wondered about this. Did Adam and Eve really have free will if they had no knowledge of good and evil?
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