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nator
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Message 106 of 183 (224494)
07-18-2005 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by arachnophilia
07-18-2005 7:04 PM


Re: pop quiz.
Dude, it's well known that attractive people are simply treated better by everyone than average looking or unattractive people.

And there are lots and lots of ADULTS under 30 who are getting surgery.

I also think that there is a growing trend towards women as young as 35 getting work done on their faces to look younger.

Pretty soon everyone in their 60's will think they have to look as young and skinny as the Olsen twins.


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nator
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Message 107 of 183 (224495)
07-18-2005 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by arachnophilia
07-18-2005 7:24 PM


Re: my 95lb friend
I never read cosmo.

I did tead Seventeen, though, starting at about age 9.

I wasn't as sophisticated about advertising back then, as a young girl.


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arachnophilia
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Message 108 of 183 (224497)
07-18-2005 8:14 PM
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07-18-2005 8:04 PM


and there's your problem
I never read cosmo.

I did read Seventeen, though, starting at about age 9.

lol

I wasn't as sophisticated about advertising back then, as a young girl.

apparently not, as you were reading a magazine whose target audience is 8 years older than you were. if you wanna blame someone for fucking you up other than your parents, blame seventeen.

but let me ask another question.

did you ever read playboy?


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arachnophilia
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Message 109 of 183 (224498)
07-18-2005 8:15 PM
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07-18-2005 7:59 PM


Re: pop quiz.
Pretty soon everyone in their 60's will think they have to look as young and skinny as the Olsen twins.

and then, omg, maybe they'll start having sex!


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 110 of 183 (224500)
07-18-2005 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by nator
07-18-2005 7:47 PM


Re: pop quiz.
quote:
Seriously, can you name a single male model that all the women know and fawn over? I can't.

model? no. but how about tom cruise *shudders* (slime ball) or brad pitt?

quote:
No you're not.

At least, not compared to what is directed at women. According to one study, there are about ten times more appearence-based ads directed towards the readers of women's magazines compared to those directed towards men in men's magazines.

Images of women are used to sell everything, in both men's and women's magazines and also in supposedly non-gendered mags like Time.

I'll agree there's more for men very recently, like in the last 15 years or so.


oh bitch piss moan. advertisement is not the only thing where image is enforced. what about john wayne/james bond movies (etc) and professional sports?

how about this. when are boys picked on the most by other boys for being overweight? in high school? no. boys establish their social structure in elementary school. at least girls get a chance to establish a healthy self-image (influenced by parents) prior to middle and high school.

quote:
That's pretty new for you boys. Sucks doesn't it?

new? dick off. men have been in competition based on prowess for how many thousands of years. but what has always been at stake for them has been life, not self-esteem.

quote:
Of course I see it. That has been one of my major points that I have repeated many times in this thread but that everyone has avoided; with the recent advent of more advertizing aimed at men which puts forth a narrow physical ideal as something to strive for, we have seen a corresponding increase in body dissatisfaction, eating disorders, fear of fat, and exessive exercising in boys and men.

and yet you respond to men with disdain when they ask for equal attention to their sufferings. heartless bitch.

quote:
Fat people get less love. Even a little bit fat.

When they get thin, they get approval.


only from equally shallow and worthless people.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 111 of 183 (224501)
07-18-2005 8:25 PM
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07-18-2005 7:59 PM


Re: pop quiz.
quote:
And there are lots and lots of ADULTS under 30 who are getting surgery.

define

"LOTS"


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roxrkool
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Message 112 of 183 (224502)
07-18-2005 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by arachnophilia
07-18-2005 6:45 PM


Re: pop quiz.
arach writes:

point of fact is that most guys dont like breast implants nowadays. it's not the mainstream trend. maybe in the 80's, but not today.


Why is that?
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arachnophilia
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Message 113 of 183 (224504)
07-18-2005 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by nator
07-18-2005 7:47 PM


men's ideal image
According to one study, there are about ten times more appearence-based ads directed towards the readers of women's magazines compared to those directed towards men in men's magazines.

and according to every sexual study, men are far more image-based in their attraction to things than women. get that? men are the ones more concerned with image.

now, don't get me wrong. i'm not saying that the entertainment and fashion industry is not partially to blame for screwing up womens' self esteem. i'm just saying, well, grow up and deal with it like everybody else.

Images of women are used to sell everything, in both men's and women's magazines

yes. when a man sees an image of an attractive woman selling him something, our mental cue is "you're not good enough to get this chick, but if you have this, you can be." our image is partly monetary, not just physical.

That's pretty new for you boys. Sucks doesn't it?

no, actually. most of us got over our self-concious awkward stages in high school. we don't blame our problems on society or some magazine we don't even read.

Yes, but a gym membership, as well as being a LOT less expensive than cosmetic surgery,

been to a gym recently? they're not exactly cheep either.

People who get surgery get infections and end up disfigured and even die.

uh, actually surgery is responsible for saving many peoples' lives. for instance, had my father not gotten surgery to have his gall bladder removed, he'd be dead right now from toxic shock syndrome. going under the knife ≠ death and disfigurement.

yes, SILICONE was a bad choice for breast implants. but the person who originally designed them could have told you that.

now, let's talk the benefits of implants for a second. ever hear of something called a mastectomy? would you be opposed to a woman getting an implant to compensate for a lost breast? why or why not?

People who start to go to the gym get more cardiovascularly fit, stronger, lose exess weight and release endorphins into their systems.

something like 90% of the people who start going to a gymn don't go longer than two weeks. that's why gyms charge for a year or two up-front. you know that, right?

advertizing aimed at men which puts forth a narrow physical ideal as something to strive for,

this is like when people blamed video games for school shootings. not everyone lives in their fantasy world 24/7. most of us can tell the difference between reality and fantasy. we KNOW not all women look like the ideal, it's actually a tautology. if all women looked like the ideal, it wouldn't be the ideal. it'd be the average.

most of us know that.

we have seen a corresponding increase in body dissatisfaction, eating disorders,

for the last time, eating disorders RARELY have anything to do with weight issues.

while we're on the topic, care to compare the body dissatisfaction increase with the obesety increase? or is this a no-brainer for everyone else here?

Fat people get less love. Even a little bit fat.

When they get thin, they get approval.

welcome to sexual selection.

think that only works for women?

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arachnophilia
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Message 114 of 183 (224507)
07-18-2005 8:34 PM
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07-18-2005 8:25 PM


unpopularity of implants
Why is that?

because preference in boob size fluctuates. also, they were WILDLY popular when they first hit the market. that's the way trends work. everybody has to have the newest thing, but the effect wears off after a while.

watch hbo's "breat men" movie. it's very interesting.


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nator
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Message 115 of 183 (224513)
07-18-2005 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by arachnophilia
07-18-2005 8:14 PM


Re: and there's your problem
quote:
apparently not, as you were reading a magazine whose target audience is 8 years older than you were. if you wanna blame someone for fucking you up other than your parents, blame seventeen.

Dude, 9 year olds ARE the target audience for Seventeen magazine. And that is the age group that loved Britney Spears and the Spice Girls.

The target audience for Cosmo is around seventeen.

Any girl who actually read Seventeen when she was seventeen was layghed at for reading a children's magazine.

quote:
but let me ask another question.

did you ever read playboy?


A few times.

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nator
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Message 116 of 183 (224515)
07-18-2005 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by arachnophilia
07-18-2005 8:34 PM


Re: unpopularity of implants
quote:
because preference in boob size fluctuates.

Why does it fluctuate?


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arachnophilia
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Message 117 of 183 (224521)
07-18-2005 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by nator
07-18-2005 9:04 PM


Re: and there's your problem
Dude, 9 year olds ARE the target audience for Seventeen magazine. And that is the age group that loved Britney Spears and the Spice Girls.

"dude," it's called SEVENTEEN.

think about that for a second.

Any girl who actually read Seventeen when she was seventeen was layghed at for reading a children's magazine.

think about that one for a second too.

did you ever read playboy?

A few times.

when you were 9?


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arachnophilia
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Message 118 of 183 (224522)
07-18-2005 9:33 PM
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07-18-2005 9:09 PM


Re: unpopularity of implants
Why does it fluctuate?

i dunno, but it's done it for longer than we've had the entertainment industry, hasn't it? compare:


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Message 119 of 183 (224523)
07-18-2005 9:33 PM
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07-18-2005 9:28 PM


"dude," it's called SEVENTEEN.

think about that for a second.

Oh, yeah, and cigarettes marketed with cartoons can't possibly be targeted to children, because you have to be 18 to smoke!

Look, I read a magazine called "Harper's." You don't have to be a harper to read it; in fact it has nothing to do with harps or harping. Yes, the magazine is called "Seventeen." Yes, the magazine is targeted at girls younger than that.


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Asgara
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Message 120 of 183 (224526)
07-18-2005 9:39 PM
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07-18-2005 9:04 PM


Re: and there's your problem
I'll attest to that Shraf.

Reading Seventeen magazine in high school was asking for it. Seventeen was for girls in late elementary / early middle school, the ones who were convinced they needed to act and look older.

Cosmo was the mag of choice in high school, again for the girls that wanted to "seem" older (which is all girls).

My 18 year old daughter agrees with this.


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