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Percy
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Message 9 of 204 (382937)
02-06-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by kuresu
02-06-2007 12:00 PM


Re: kuresu is in . . .under one condition
A question: is on-line chess playing meaningful since anyone can use any of a number of chess programs? Maybe it's just me, but if I can't see my opponent's hand strike the chess clock right in front of me, then his move could have come from anywhere.
I remember having similar thoughts back in grad school where Hans Berliner was also a student (the oldest in the department, as it happened). Though he was working almost exclusively on his backgammon program at the time (what a fun way to get a PhD!), he'd been a world postal chess champion, and one question I asked him more than once was what guaranteed against cheating in postal chess. His reply was that if you weren't the best player you knew, then you shouldn't be playing in such competitions. Of course, while this was a good decade after the Greenblatt program, it was still in the days before truly effective chess playing programs existed.
But today everyone has access to great chess playing programs.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 14 of 204 (382982)
02-06-2007 2:35 PM
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02-06-2007 1:38 PM


Re: kuresu is in . . .under one condition
The enforcement part of the proposal is clear, but what about the detection part? This seems a crime impossible to detect. Somebody pulls a 14-move double-bishop, double-knight, double-castle, queen sacrifice leading to mate and you say, "Wait a minute, that's just too incredible, you must be using Deep Blue," and the reply comes back, "I didn't look 14 moves ahead, I just saw a few moves ahead and then other opportunities became apparent as we played." Or maybe, "I didn't look 14 moves ahead, I just made a mistake, lost my bishop, made another mistake, lost my knight, attempted to rally but lost my queen, then I got desperate and starting looking for opportunities and found that forced mate which by that time was only a few moves away."
About not studying chess books while playing, during the period in my life when I was playing tournaments I always had my nose in at least several chess books all the time. To expect someone to sit at a computer screen waiting for their opponent's next move and just tap their fingers, or to not investigate things when there's a suspension in play, just doesn't seem reasonable.
Or if there's someone else in the room peering over their shoulder, there's bound to be kibitzing.
Maybe it's just me. Perhaps I have an overdeveloped sense of cynicism. But I don't think so. All I have to do is look around this board and count the number of times people have tried to pass off a cut-n-paste as their own to restore my faith in human nature.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 21 of 204 (383206)
02-07-2007 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by riVeRraT
02-07-2007 1:19 PM


riVeRraT writes:
I played the guys on 42nd street(NYC), and under the clock they always beat me, then one guy offered to play without the clock, for a large sum of money, and I won.
Congratulations! By "under the clock" do you mean blitz, or just normal time limits like 30 moves/hour.
--Percy

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