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Brian
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Message 16 of 73 (354515)
10-05-2006 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Silent H
10-05-2006 3:52 PM


I should have tossed in ... the Bible just to see what they'd've done.
I think we all know the next thing to be burned!
Bye Bye Holmes.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 17 of 73 (354517)
10-05-2006 5:08 PM
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10-05-2006 4:18 PM


Why is it that our Christian (neo) Conservative friends never comment on threads like this?
Is it that they agree with these folk or are they embrassed to be associated with them?
The latter..... Its never good when somebody that you ordinarily might identify with does something stupid that makes everyone look bad by default. Insert scandal here _____________

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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Silent H
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Message 18 of 73 (354525)
10-05-2006 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Brian
10-05-2006 5:05 PM


I didn't think I looked so pretty! heheh
An interesting note, the majority of the crowd were blacks and not the stereotype white crackers one usually associates with such things. Diversity in stupidity.
Frankly much of the state creeped me out. They actually had billboards for Jesus and against masturbation all over the place.

holmes {in temp decloak from lurker mode}
"What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." (D.Bros)

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Modulous
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Message 19 of 73 (354537)
10-05-2006 6:01 PM


That reminded me, in an odd way of a Jonathan Wells quote:
The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory, but a materialistic creation myth masquerading as science...Evidence is brought in afterwards, as window dressing.
Along with certain other news stories - it seems that Autumn is delicious irony season!

  
nator
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Message 20 of 73 (354557)
10-05-2006 7:13 PM
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10-05-2006 5:08 PM


Is it that they agree with these folk or are they embrassed to be associated with them?
quote:
The latter..... Its never good when somebody that you ordinarily might identify with does something stupid that makes everyone look bad by default. Insert scandal here _____________
The difference for me, and most of the liberal people I know, is that we would be right there with you if you found some liberal behaving in a equally stupid manner.
Conservatives seem to have some kind of unspoken rule to never, ever criticize one another in public unless forced to.
It's a "team mentality". Loyalty above everything else, or something like that.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 21 of 73 (354564)
10-05-2006 7:38 PM
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10-05-2006 7:13 PM


Polarity
The difference for me, and most of the liberal people I know, is that we would be right there with you if you found some liberal behaving in a equally stupid manner.
Conservatives seem to have some kind of unspoken rule to never, ever criticize one another in public unless forced to.
It's a "team mentality". Loyalty above everything else, or something like that.
I don't know about all of that. When Clinton was taking fire for his sex scandal, first it was deny, deny, deny, "Bill would never do such a thing." Then once he was caught beyond any reasonable doubt the tactic changed to minimizing what actually happened. "Whatever, America is so lame. In Europe sex is no big deal." Rrrrrrright, I'm sure those were Hilary's sentiments too. Its "just" sex.
Even though I mainatin a more Conservative view, I think both parties are a bit ridiculous, only because its caused such a deep rift in the fiber of the country. Its more about, as you said, being loyal to the party than it is about doing the right thing no matter what. Its the reason why I'm a registered Independent. Screw political parties. All I care about is voting for the Cabinet that will benefit the United States and by extension, the World, by making sound decisions. Unfortunately, the way the voting system is set up, you can't just vote for man, you have to vote with their political affiliations and all its baggage.
Edited by nemesis_juggernaut, : italics

"There is not in all America a more dangerous trait than the deification of mere smartness unaccompanied by any sense of moral responsibility." -Theodore Roosevelt

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nator
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Message 22 of 73 (354567)
10-05-2006 7:44 PM
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10-05-2006 7:38 PM


Re: Polarity
quote:
I don't know about all of that. When Clinton was taking fire for his sex scandal, first it was deny, deny, deny, "Bill would never do such a thing."
I don't know what liberals you are talking to, but all of my friends were incredibly pissed off that Clinton could be so stupid, and said so. Very openly.
quote:
Then once he was caught beyond any reasonable doubt the tactic changed to minimizing what actually happened. "Whatever, America is so lame. In Europe sex is no big deal." Rrrrrrright, I'm sure those were Hilary's sentiments too. Its "just" sex.
Again, that simply wasn't my experience. We were pretty disappointed in him.
But the Starr witchunt was even more disappointing, and the entire inquiry was obviously politically motivated.
quote:
Even though I mainatin a more Conservative view, I think both parties are a bit ridiculous, only because its caused such a deep rift in the fiber of the country. Its more about, as you said, being loyal to the party than it is about doing the right thing no matter what.
Hey, liberals didn't coin the term "Dittohead".
quote:
Its the reason why I'm a registered Independent. Screw political parties. All I care about is voting for the Cabinet that will benefit the United States and by extension, the World, by making sound decisions. Unfortunately, the way the voting system is set up, you can't just vote for man, you have to vote with their political affiliations and all its baggage.
Well, that is certainly the case.

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Message 23 of 73 (354594)
10-05-2006 9:19 PM
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10-05-2006 7:44 PM


Re: Polarity
Just curious.
Do you know what a "Dittohead" is? And what the term means?
Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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nator
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Message 24 of 73 (354595)
10-05-2006 9:25 PM
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10-05-2006 9:19 PM


Re: Polarity
quote:
Do you know what a "Dittohead" is? And what the term means?
Yes.
"Dittohead" was a term coined by particularly rabid fans of Rush Limbaugh who used it to refer to themselves in order to indicate that they agreed with everything he said.

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Message 25 of 73 (354596)
10-05-2006 9:29 PM
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10-05-2006 9:25 PM


Re: Polarity
"Dittohead" was a term coined by particularly rabid fans of Rush Limbaugh who used it to refer to themselves in order to indicate that they agreed with everything he said.
A commonly-held misconception.
A "dittohead" is not someone who agrees with everything Rush says. A "dittohead" is someone who is "dittoing" previous praise that other callers to the show have given. They are not saying they agree with Rush, they are saying they agree with what others have said about the show.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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nator
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Message 26 of 73 (354602)
10-05-2006 9:49 PM
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10-05-2006 2:45 PM


quote:
That's frightening.
I was thinking more from personal experience. At uni and conferences I have met and spoken to literally 100's of Americans and they were all 'normal' people, equally dismayed at creationism.
The only oddball types are the ones I have met on here and at other boards.
You must dispair for your country.
I do.
And so does Garrison Keillor:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/979/
Here is a snippet of his fantastic essay:
(I just want to say that I hope I never piss Garrison Keillor off)
Something has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once, it was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed spectacles who decried profligacy and waste, were devoted to their communities and supported the sort of prosperity that raises all ships. They were good-hearted people who vanquished the gnarlier elements of their party, the paranoid Roosevelt-haters, the flat Earthers and Prohibitionists, the antipapist antiforeigner element. The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day, who made it OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System, declined to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a period of peace and prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and letters flourished and higher education burgeoned”and there was a degree of plain decency in the country. Fifties Republicans were giants compared to today’s. Richard Nixon was the last Republican leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.
In the years between Nixon and Newt Gingrich, the party migrated southward down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea of public service and became the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great Crusade Against the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of pirates that diverted and fascinated the media by their sheer chutzpah, such as the misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who, while George McGovern flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and made training films in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like the passenger pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose to power on pure punk politics. “Bipartisanship is another term of date rape,” says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. “I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.
The party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of hairy-backed swamp developers and corporate shills, faith-based economists, fundamentalist bullies with Bibles, Christians of convenience, freelance racists, misanthropic frat boys, shrieking midgets of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts in pinstripes, sweatshop tycoons, hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks, Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong’s moonwalk was filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the rest of us, Newt’s evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a dull and rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of secular institutions, whose philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured body parts trying to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of the world thinks we’re deaf, dumb and dangerous.
Rich ironies abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket lining on a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and write legislation to alleviate the suffering of billionaires! Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where art thou at this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated gaudier than ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine Grace.

"Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!"
- Ned Flanders
"Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson

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nator
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Message 27 of 73 (354604)
10-05-2006 9:57 PM
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10-05-2006 9:29 PM


Re: Polarity
quote:
A "dittohead" is not someone who agrees with everything Rush says. A "dittohead" is someone who is "dittoing" previous praise that other callers to the show have given. They are not saying they agree with Rush, they are saying they agree with what others have said about the show.
Oh, well, perhaps I was misinformed.
Can you provide the source for your definition?

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subbie
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Message 28 of 73 (354605)
10-05-2006 10:07 PM
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10-05-2006 9:57 PM


Re: Polarity
Rush's show.
I heard him explain it himself one day. Sorry, can't provide you with date and time. However, if you listen to the show, it's quite obvious in context that that is the meaning. A caller opens a call by saying, "Dittos," "Megadittos," or something of that ilk, and Rush responds by thanking the caller, exactly as if the caller had complimented him on the caliber of the show.
Now, I'm certainly not saying that most "dittoheads" don't agree with most of what Rush says, but that isn't what it means to be a dittohead. It simply means they enjoy the show. The misconception, however, is one that is sometimes held by those who call themselves "dittoheads." Occasionally, someone might call and say "50% dittos" and then go on to explain where and why they disagree.
Despite what you may have heard, or would like to believe, not everyone who listens to Rush agrees with everything he says, nor do most of them let him do their thinking for them.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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Message 29 of 73 (354606)
10-05-2006 10:09 PM


Some relevant subtitles would be a good thing.
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That Garrison Keillor one could use a nice subtitle.
Blah blah blah.
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Message 30 of 73 (354607)
10-05-2006 10:10 PM
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10-05-2006 9:49 PM


Gimme that old time Republican....
I always sort of think of Barry Goldwater as the last true Republican, or at least the last one who had any major national prominance.
I recall something he said about gays in the military: "The only thing the military should be concerned with is whether someone can shoot straight," or words to that effect.
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