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Author Topic:   The Flood = many coincidences
Buzsaw
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Message 48 of 445 (491254)
12-12-2008 9:29 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Granny Magda
12-09-2008 5:07 AM


Re: The Flood... Again (sigh).
Granny Magda writes:
Peg writes:
no, my suggestion is that perhaps the earth is STILL flooded by water
It is indeed, but it has never been completely flooded, nor is that even possible.
1. Unless the earth was relatively smooth before the flood and the tectonic activity from the flood due to irregularities in the earth crust, (abe: volcanic activity) etc created the mountains.
2. Unless there was enough vapor in a vapor canopy over the earth to supply enough water to cover the relatively small mountains which were on the relatively smooth surface of the pre-flood earth.
There were likely pre flood mountains but obviously not nearly as high as they became post flood. The sea fossils in modern hight mountains attest to that.
I believe the observed tectonic activity can be interpreted to support the above possibility as an alternative to the mainline science model.
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 51 of 445 (491291)
12-13-2008 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Coyote
12-12-2008 9:45 PM


Re: Supportive Evidence For The Possibility Of A Biblical Global Flood
Coyote writes:
Buz, you're doing "what ifs" like Peg.
All of your suggestions are nonsense. Proposing "what ifs" may keep your belief in a global flood alive in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence to the contrary, but they are just another method of self-deception. Please don't try to pass them off as science.
If you have evidence, present it, but why don't you knock off the "what ifs" presented with no evidence whatever.
Your "what ifs" do not constitute evidence.
Uncontested Science Fact #1: The mountains were at some period, formed by some means which requires that at some period the surface of planet earth was smoother than is observed today.
Uncontested Science Fact #2: There was a time of significant flooding on the planet.
Logical Conclusion: If the planet's surface was smoother/less mountainous, the volume of water observed in the deep oceans would be such that far more, if not all of the smoother planet would have been flooded unless a significantly greater volume of water was in the form of atmospheric vapor than is observed today.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 58 of 445 (491320)
12-14-2008 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Granny Magda
12-14-2008 12:18 AM


Re: Supportive Evidence For The Possibility Of A Biblical Global Flood
Granny Magda writes:
Hi Buz,
I have resisted replying to your previous message due to AdminNosy cautionary note upthread. I have no desire to goad you into getting a suspension.
What I will say is this; it seems to be central to your argument that Earth's oceans pre-date its mountains. That would be a good place to start providing evidence.
Mutate and Survive
Thanks, Granny, for weighing in here.
No, that is not my position. My position is that the first oceans were less in volume and not as deep. Before the flood there was likely more like 70% of the earth surface continent and 30% ocean. The total surface was smoother having mountains and valleys, but lower mountains. Where was all of the water? It was both sub terrain and in a greenhouse canopy consisting of the atmosphere, etc above the earth.
(AdminNosy and others: I've said the above to clarify my position and not to add further to my arguments for that position.)
Before I proceed I need to put forward questions regarding the age of the oceans which arose in my reading on this topic at a .
USGS site by Annenberg/CPB Resources.
Can someone here address these questions raised by Annenberg Resources? I see there has been some discussion about the age of the oceans up thread but nothing said about previous to 200 million years ago, unless I missed that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 61 of 445 (491328)
12-14-2008 10:45 AM


Undue Oversight Prevails
I'm done with this thread so long as I am not allowed to debate my position which is the Biblical creationist position ascribed to by the minority constituency.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 445 (491338)
12-14-2008 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by AdminNosy
12-14-2008 10:54 AM


Re: Undue Oversight Prevails
With all due respect for your authority, AdminNosy, you are debating against the prominent creationist POV as an admin.
1. To my knowledge, the answer to where all of the water was before 200 million years ago has not been addressed.
2. The hypothesis of the greenhouse canopy has not been empirically falsified by the majority POV. I well remember those debates and a lot of questions which nobody but nobody can empirically answer remain unproven.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 67 of 445 (491350)
12-14-2008 3:31 PM


Have At It, Conventionalists
I'm out of this thread. It's not worth the fuss. Perhaps someone will address the couple of evidence related questions in the short and simple link cited, and where all of the water was before the high mountains were created, including the submerged ones and before the deep oceans existed over 70 per cent of the earth as observed today.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 93 of 445 (491609)
12-18-2008 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Rrhain
12-18-2008 5:29 AM


Rrhain, to clarify my position/model, it was that if the oceans were not deep before the flood and the mountains were not high before the flood (including the submerged ones, even the present amount of water in the oceans would cover more if not all of the surface of the earth. Some of the present ocean water would have been either sub terrain or as vapor as per the Biblical model.
Again, this is to clarify my position which has not been addressed by Rrhain who apparently does not regard the depth of the water in his dish model as relevant to my model. It is not to further debate what I regard as the Biblical hypothesis.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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