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Message 46 of 91 (287285)
02-16-2006 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by mike the wiz
02-16-2006 10:26 AM


burning witches
Did you think burning witches and justifying evil is suddenly acceptable according to scripture?
Burning witches was not just acceptable but mandatory according to scripture.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 53 of 91 (293423)
03-08-2006 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by ringo
03-08-2006 5:48 PM


Preach the Gospel, Brother Ringo
Since we have the Knowledge of Good and Evil, we are responsible for our actions - no blaming any demons.
We are sheep or goats based on our own actions, nobody else's.
Amen. God gave us the gift in the Garden of Eden, the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Jesus gave us the instructions, Love others as you love yourself. He also clearly told us the consequences, in Matthew 25.
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It's all up to us. We have all that is needed to know how to behave. It's not Satan, not demons but us. The blame stops here.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 58 of 91 (293575)
03-09-2006 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by riVeRraT
03-09-2006 7:34 AM


Using the Demon cop-out.
What do any of those quotes have to do with how someone behaves?
Saying that "the devil made me do it" is just another cop out just like saying that some people are not real Christians. It's yet another feelgood fantasy, trying to absolve folk from their actions.
Sorry, but you have a knowledge of good and evil. It's up to you to determine how YOU will behave. If you do wrong, it's because YOU did wrong, not because some devil or Satan is making you do it.

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jar
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Message 61 of 91 (293767)
03-09-2006 7:34 PM
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03-09-2006 7:32 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Nope, sorry got to disagree with you there. Your knowledge of good and evil is as only as good as the enviroment you were raised in. If it was full of evil, then it will go to you, just like a demon.
Who is accountable for your behavior then?
You are.

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jar
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Message 64 of 91 (293773)
03-09-2006 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by riVeRraT
03-09-2006 7:36 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
How can you say that, you just insulted millions of people.
Think of some little girl who gets raped when young. Her mind is screwd up for life.
LOL
Sorry but that is so totally unrelated to anything I said that all I can do is laugh.
AbE: Let's try to head back towards the topic, or at least the neighborhood of the topic.
This message has been edited by jar, 03-09-2006 06:42 PM

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jar
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Message 66 of 91 (293784)
03-09-2006 8:49 PM
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03-09-2006 8:36 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Little girls getting raped makes you laugh?
No, rat. I laughed because what you posted was so far off topic and unrelated to anything I said.
Or is it you don't understand the phsychology behind it, or the spiritual reprecussions?
Also, totally off topic and unrelated to anything I said.
It is on topic, because Hitler could have been demon pocessed.
So what. He was just a Christian, a very evil Christian, doing what he believed the Christian Faith told him to do. That does not mean that he was not responsible for what he did.
But according to you it is impossible.
Unless you can point out where I said that, it is simply another of your assertions.
If you read back over what I said, I think you'll find that I said the demon possesed excuse or devil made me do it defense is a cop out.

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jar
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Message 68 of 91 (293812)
03-10-2006 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by riVeRraT
03-10-2006 12:03 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
It doesn't matter, there is absolutely no evidence that there is anything like a demon. Using the demon defense or the devil made me do it is just a cop-out, a way to avoid admitting that you are responsible for your behavior.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 71 of 91 (293945)
03-10-2006 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by riVeRraT
03-10-2006 9:02 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Please read what I said.
There is no evidence that demons exist.
jar (note lower case) uses the Bible in matters of Faith, not as either a history or science text.
It doesn't matter whether demons exist or not. The person is still responsible for his or her actions. Saying a demons possed me or the devil made me do it is a cop-out.
If you must try to express what it is I think, at least try to come close.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 75 of 91 (294236)
03-11-2006 8:24 AM
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03-11-2006 8:08 AM


why bring up things that are totally unrelated?
There is absolutely NOTHING in your message that has ANYTHING to do with the subjecvts we are discussing.
An 8 year old child is not yet mature enough to make any decisions about behaviour beyond the most basic.
Further, that story has nothing to do with the demon cop out.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 77 of 91 (294456)
03-12-2006 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by riVeRraT
03-12-2006 7:54 AM


Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
to what you think I say.
What we are discussing now is the possibility that Hitler was demon pocessed. You said it was not true, and a cop-out. You never put an age limit on it.
Okay, yes we might be talking about whether or not Hitler was demone possessed, but I never said it wasn't true.
What I said was that it is a cop out and it doesn't matter. Using demon possession is simply a cop out for responsibility.
The 8 year old girl is a perfect example. I mean what do you think is going ot happen to her later on in life when she can be responsible for her own decisions? She will magically be cured?
That has NOTHING to do with the subject.
What if Hitler's childhood was filled with nothing but hate, and abuse?
What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that if your childhood in filled with hate and abuse it's okay to kill 6 million Jews?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 80 of 91 (294836)
03-13-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by riVeRraT
03-13-2006 7:16 AM


Re: Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
jar writes:
Using demon possession is simply a cop out for responsibility.
to which riVeRraT rEpLiEd:
quote:
Ok, since you saeem to know why, then why not explain it, here or start another thread.
I can explain it right here. You are responsible for what you do. When you do evil or wrong things, it is your responsibility. Try to blame it is demons is just a cop-out, a way to avoid your own responsibility.
The rest of your post is a great example of just what I have been saying. The quote was from Jesus and it is exactly what I've been saying all along. The people that killed Jesus were responsible for his death. They might say,"Roman Law made me do it.". or "Jewish Law made me do it.", the "The people chose this man to be crucified." instead of saying "It was my responsibility."
They stand convicted. There is no reason for forgiving them unless they had done something wrong. Jesus understood that, he realized that no cop out was possible, so he made what is called a Special Pleading. He says,"look, they are guilty as sin, but I'm asking you to commute their sentences.
Two different things. Trying to absolve yourself by claiming the the bad things in the world are the work of the devil or demons or original sin are just cop outs.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 83 of 91 (295157)
03-14-2006 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by riVeRraT
03-14-2006 8:41 AM


Re: Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
jar writes:
There is no reason for forgiving them unless they had done something wrong. Jesus understood that, he realized that no cop out was possible, so he made what is called a Special Pleading. He says,"look, they are guilty as sin, but I'm asking you to commute their sentences.
to which the rat replies:
Well you sure twisted that one around, I disagree 100%.
Where do you get this special pleading? And how does it apply to the Son of God?
I understand that you disagree, that's fine. And what do you mean where did I get the special pleading. You were the one that brought the special pleading up. It applies to Jesus because that was what he did.

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jar
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Message 85 of 91 (295372)
03-14-2006 10:17 PM
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03-14-2006 10:12 PM


Really OT
Sorry but that is totally off topic and has no bearing on anything in this thread.

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jar
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Message 87 of 91 (295380)
03-14-2006 10:48 PM
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03-14-2006 10:44 PM


Re: Really OT
Sorry, but not only is this OT, you don't even seem to have a clue what I've said in this thread.
If you can show that you ever read what I've said then perhaps we can go on. But right now, your post just comes across as clueless.

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jar
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Message 89 of 91 (295402)
03-14-2006 11:54 PM
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03-14-2006 11:32 PM


okay, somewhat closer
What you've said is very simple, demon possession is a cop-out.
Yes.
The topic is Nazism, in which Hitler was the leader, that is who I am talking about, very ON-TOPIC. I am trying to explain the possibility of him not really even knowing what he was doing, or maybe he thought he was doing the right thing.
Well I happen to think Hitler did believe that he was doing the good Christian thing, but it also doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he thought it was the right thing to do or not.
If he wasn't demon possessed, and he knew exactly what he was doing, then why did he do it?
Because he was not a very nice person and did bad things. He is responsible for what he did.
It really is as simple as that.
The concepts of demons or original sin are just cop outs.

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