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Message 61 of 91 (293767)
03-09-2006 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by riVeRraT
03-09-2006 7:32 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Nope, sorry got to disagree with you there. Your knowledge of good and evil is as only as good as the enviroment you were raised in. If it was full of evil, then it will go to you, just like a demon.

Who is accountable for your behavior then?

You are.


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Message 62 of 91 (293769)
03-09-2006 7:35 PM
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03-09-2006 12:18 PM


Re: Don't blame the demons.

Most cases of "demon possession" have all the same symptoms as mental illness.

I can not debate the topic, I am not an expert on it. But I have seen people with "mental illness" be cured through God's word, and power. Where medicine never helped them. They may not come out of it being perfect, but they are a lot better off then when they were on medicine.


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Message 63 of 91 (293770)
03-09-2006 7:36 PM
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03-09-2006 7:34 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
How can you say that, you just insulted millions of people.

Think of some little girl who gets raped when young. Her mind is screwd up for life.


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Message 64 of 91 (293773)
03-09-2006 7:41 PM
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03-09-2006 7:36 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
How can you say that, you just insulted millions of people.

Think of some little girl who gets raped when young. Her mind is screwd up for life.

LOL

Sorry but that is so totally unrelated to anything I said that all I can do is laugh.

AbE: Let's try to head back towards the topic, or at least the neighborhood of the topic.

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Message 65 of 91 (293782)
03-09-2006 8:36 PM
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03-09-2006 7:41 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.

Sorry but that is so totally unrelated to anything I said that all I can do is laugh.

Little girls getting raped makes you laugh?

Or is it you don't understand the phsychology behind it, or the spiritual reprecussions?

It is on topic, because Hitler could have been demon pocessed. But according to you it is impossible.


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Message 66 of 91 (293784)
03-09-2006 8:49 PM
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03-09-2006 8:36 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Little girls getting raped makes you laugh?

No, rat. I laughed because what you posted was so far off topic and unrelated to anything I said.

Or is it you don't understand the phsychology behind it, or the spiritual reprecussions?

Also, totally off topic and unrelated to anything I said.

It is on topic, because Hitler could have been demon pocessed.

So what. He was just a Christian, a very evil Christian, doing what he believed the Christian Faith told him to do. That does not mean that he was not responsible for what he did.

But according to you it is impossible.

Unless you can point out where I said that, it is simply another of your assertions.

If you read back over what I said, I think you'll find that I said the demon possesed excuse or devil made me do it defense is a cop out.


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Message 67 of 91 (293808)
03-10-2006 12:03 AM
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03-09-2006 8:49 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.

If you read back over what I said, I think you'll find that I said the demon possesed excuse or devil made me do it defense is a cop out.

Ok, stop the silly word games, is it possible or not?


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Message 68 of 91 (293812)
03-10-2006 12:25 AM
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03-10-2006 12:03 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
It doesn't matter, there is absolutely no evidence that there is anything like a demon. Using the demon defense or the devil made me do it is just a cop-out, a way to avoid admitting that you are responsible for your behavior.


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Message 69 of 91 (293831)
03-10-2006 3:23 AM
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03-10-2006 12:03 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
well so many illnesses were accounted as demonic attacks and found not to be why would you consider people getting attacked by demons more factual that illness?
we have yet to document true demonic attacks that it seems more prombible that they don't exist outside peoples minds
{then again i have fooled a few doctors into thinking that i was the person... puppeteering is fun!}
{pps. just kidding of course}

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Message 70 of 91 (293909)
03-10-2006 9:02 AM
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03-10-2006 3:23 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.

well so many illnesses were accounted as demonic attacks and found not to be why would you consider people getting attacked by demons more factual that illness?
we have yet to document true demonic attacks that it seems more prombible that they don't exist outside peoples minds

It has to do with the bible. Jar uses verses from the bible to explain things, and yet he seems to ignore some. So it is only his interpretation of the spiritual world then.

Demons either exist or they don't. I am not claiming either. I will believe it when I see it.

I know in my own life I was a certain way, and then I felt like God changed me, He tweaked me a little. To me it seemed like a supernatural event, and I lost some of my own "demons" in the snap of a finger. I was the way I was because of how I was raised. I feel I have been changed. I am not looking to side-step blame here. TO me thats up to the big judge in the sky.


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Message 71 of 91 (293945)
03-10-2006 11:11 AM
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03-10-2006 9:02 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Please read what I said.

There is no evidence that demons exist.

jar (note lower case) uses the Bible in matters of Faith, not as either a history or science text.

It doesn't matter whether demons exist or not. The person is still responsible for his or her actions. Saying a demons possed me or the devil made me do it is a cop-out.

If you must try to express what it is I think, at least try to come close.


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Message 72 of 91 (294116)
03-10-2006 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by jar
03-10-2006 11:11 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.

If you must try to express what it is I think, at least try to come close.

Well if we get ino that debate, it may in fact wonder too far off-topic.
I suppose you might think tha people invite demons into them by their own actions, so that in the end they are in fact responsible.

Well this is how I feel too, but that doesn't explain the little girl who gets raped theory. I feel not only are you responsible for your own actions, but the actions of others when you do things to them. Cause and effect. I believe God will hold me accountable for my actions towards others and the things they caused in them. In effect I give demons to those people. I helped program those people to be the way they are by the way I treated them. Anything short of the Love of God, or trying to mimic it will lead to these destructive behaviors, or demons.

Only god can free us from our past, our demons.


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Message 73 of 91 (294133)
03-10-2006 6:15 PM
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03-10-2006 5:54 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Did the little girl rape herself?

She is responsible for her own actions...not those of her attacker. Her attacker is responsible for HIS own actions.

Even your response about god holding you accountable is for YOUR OWN ACTIONS.


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Message 74 of 91 (294231)
03-11-2006 8:08 AM
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03-10-2006 6:15 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.

Did the little girl rape herself?

She is responsible for her own actions...

???

Are you saying the things you went through in your life did not mold you into who you are and how you react to things?

Doesn't how good an apple pie taste depend on how good the apples are, and the ingredients that go into it?

You explect that little girl to behave perfectly normal after an experience like that?

My friends kid (this just happened), was on the bus going home from school. Another kids went up to him and asked, want to play a game? He said yes, then the other kid put his hand down my freinds kids pants, and grabbed his penis. 8 years old.

Come to find out, that was the game that was being played on him at home.

Who's responsible?


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Message 75 of 91 (294236)
03-11-2006 8:24 AM
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03-11-2006 8:08 AM


why bring up things that are totally unrelated?
There is absolutely NOTHING in your message that has ANYTHING to do with the subjecvts we are discussing.

An 8 year old child is not yet mature enough to make any decisions about behaviour beyond the most basic.

Further, that story has nothing to do with the demon cop out.


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