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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No matter if the world existed for 6,0000 or 10,000 years, there is no way humanity could have survived. Why? Quick glance at the link suggests the evidence isn't all that hard and fast, but I'd suggest that maybe a lot of comet activity occurred along with the -- ta da!!! -- Great Flood, when the point WAS to kill off all humanity except 8 souls and the same with all the animals. Seems possible enough that at least that many/few could survive such an event or even many such events, especially in a water-soaked world that would absorb a lot of the impact. Just a thought. This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 04:00 AM This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 04:00 AM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, comets, meteors, meteorites, it was late and I was tired, but any and all wouldn't have had the enormous impact supposed in the first post if they occurred in conjunction with the Flood. A simple thought, that's all.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Bearing in mind that the Bible makes absolutely no mention of anything happening during the Great Flood except -- ta da!!! -- a flood. God doesn't tell us EVERYTHING. The flood was a pretty dramatic event that would have changed many things on the earth, beneath the oceans and in the "firmament." Most likely included intense volcanic activity. Could have included bombardment by "heavenly" objects. Jar's link to lists of craters made by such heavenly intruders is very interesting. I looked for some that might have landed in the vicinity of Noah and family's landing place. There are a few in Kazakhstan, which is roughly in the neighborhood, and one in Ukraine and a couple or three in Libya and Chad, but none mentioned in the Middle East proper, none in Turkey, none really close enough to have been noted by Noah and clan. So, it's POSSIBLE they occurred during the flood or even some period afterward, impacting still rather wet earth, and nobody would know about it who was living at the time.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But as you have learned, there is no evidence of a global flood whatsoever, Not at all. I've learned that this is believed but not that it is true. It is a matter of interpretation, not fact. All such notions about the flood are interpretation of data, not direct fact. So is the idea that they are "associated with mass extinctions" an interpretation of data, not fact in itself.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Any you think that the flood waters would minimize the impacts? LOL ! LOL! The water, even kilometers of it, may as well not be there. These things vaporize holes in the rock that are kms deep! Then of course, you have the many, many more that are only the size of meteor creator in Arizona. A baby, a rock only about 150 feet across; but you would have 1,000's of them in your one year. This "baby" hit with the force of 1,000 hiroshimas. hitting water all that energy produces a fair amount of steam and some really nasty winds. Well, you weren't there and neither was I but if only Noah and family were around and none of them hit in their neck of the woods, and they DID hit water, there is no reason to think that even that enormous kind of impact would have been felt by Noah and clan any more than the devastation of the flood already overwhelmed them. Why would a ton of them hitting Arizona, Texas, Libya, Canada etc. be a problem for Noah?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Your "not close" Kazakhstan impact is 14 kms across. How close do you want to be to the site where an impactor that makes a hole of that size comes in? I think you had better stop guessing when you intuition isn't primed to handle the magnitude of these events. Well but you are guessing too and you don't know how close Noah was to the Kazakhstan hits and you don't know whether the impact was in water or wet earth or whatnot. My guessing is as good as yours I dare say.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wouldn't the impact evidence have to happened after the flood if a young earth were a fact? It seems to me that the deluge that dug the Grand Canyon and all the other things it supposedly did would have erased any impact evidence from the previous 2000 or so years since creation. The idea wasn't that they occurred before the flood but during it or soon after, somehow connected with the whole global catastrophe. How about the IMPACTING effect of such a strike, packing the earth around it, making the impression pretty permanent. They only had to survive a year or less. Or some may have occurred after the water receded, in wet earth. You guys are guessing, I'm guessing. You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The larger ones when impacting one at a time release enough energy to devistate the earth's climate. They effects are world wide. A smaller one hitting water would produce an enormous tsunami. How big would the tsunami's be and how far do the effects reach on uninterrupted ocean? You ASSUME these worldwide effects, you ASSUME devastation of the climate but you are still thinking of a dry land hit and in any case these are just guesses, you don't know. Nobody ever witnessed this. Science has made predictions before and been wrong. So the waves rocked the ark. I don't know how a tsunami would behave without land to crash on. Do you? Or they hit later when the water had receded quite a bit and Noah and family were high and dry on Ararat for the duration. All guesses, but so are yours.
For the big ones I don't think Noah would be far enough away anywhere on Earth. And there will be major impacts every few days. Things were very different before the flood. Whole different kind of climate system. Many things changed during it, were very different after it. It's just hard to know how such a bombardment would affect things during that period. Some assume an enormous amount of volcanic activity during that time too. And tectonic movement.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You guys are guessing, I'm guessing. ====== we're not guessing. there's math and physics behind this. they know, as the result of a formula, the approximate size an asteroid would have to be to cover the earth with debris and dust clouds. we have this formula from other asteroid hits. Well I'm postulating they hit in deep water. That changes the picture of debris and dust clouds, formulae notwithstanding.
You have ideas of what kind of impact they would create but nobody witnessed them to say for sure. ==== actually, there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. Great. And it absolutely devastated the climate worldwide, right? Covered the whole earth in dust and debris, right? And killed most of the eyewitnesses, right?
edit: come to think of it, *I* have witnessed asteroids, and i've seen video of an impact. although, granted not on the scale of tunguska... So far I haven't heard anything that supports the idea that they would necessarily wreck the atmosphere and kill all living things. Besides which, again, I'm postulating many occurred when the earth was covered by water.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
... there a rather nice one in tunguska, siberia in 1908 that had tons of eyewitnesses. ====== With effects similar to a nuclear strike. Tell me about it. How many died in this "nuclear strike?" How great an area was affected by it? How far away was it witnessed/detected? How long did the effects continue?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well but you are guessing too and you don't know how close Noah was to the Kazakhstan hits and you don't know whether the impact was in water or wet earth or whatnot. My guessing is as good as yours I dare say. ======== Faith, you need to remember we are not talking about the little, bitty, tiny dust grain sized rocks that hit earth every year. The little bitty ones of only a few hundred tons are slowed by even the atmosphere. We are talking about those which leave visible impact creators of 100's of meters. Well, how many of these and where are they located?
You say "wet earth"??????? You have no clue how silly that sounds. Soils are, perhaps, 10's of feet deep. These things vaporize rock to much greater than that depth. The flood saturated everything down to bedrock. I figure the wet earth would keep down the dust and debris factor. To some extent that must be the case, certainly with the smaller ones. And if they impacted under water, all the more so.
Besides where did 'wet earth' come from. I though you said this happened during the flood year? How many did and how many didn't? Remember it is pretty clear that they are NOT all the same age. Perhaps you would put Barringer at post flood? How long ago then? Which others are post flood and which during? I'm simply guessing they were associated with the whole catastrophe of the flood, both during and afterward for some time -- how long afterward -???? I'm not trying to account for every hit.
You seem to think that if this idea of there being a problem with the impacts is correct then the earth is, in fact, not only a few 1,000's years old? Is that true? Not following you. But I'm a YEC remember.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Hundreds of bolide impacts during the flood year would most certainly be noticed by someone floating about the ocean. Maybe he noticed them then.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Doesn't this open a bigger problem? If Noah survived breathing steam and being cooked alive (during the flood) THEN a giant rock hits the earth... Was Noah maybe a Kryptonian? Well he was a pretty strong old guy. He was 600 years old when the flood hit and he lived to be 950.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
making stuff up again, i see. You should talk.
still, these things VAPORIZE rock several hundred meter deep. water or not. water would be LESS resistance than rock. Uh huh, but the debris therefrom would be somewhat dissipated by the water, no?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So is the idea that they are "associated with mass extinctions" an interpretation of data, not fact in itself. ======= there is crater off the yucatan that matches a date for something called the k-t boundary. the boundary is a line in the geological column that exists all over the world, with a high concentration of iridium in it. iridium is not common on earth. the k-t line also marks the end of the reign of the dinosaurs. no dinosaurs are found above k-t. the geological column an be shown to have been laid down sequentially, not all at once, because of angular unconformities. for the life of me, i have never once seen a creationist explain angular unconformities, thus changing the law of superposition. Of course it was laid down sequentially. What's the problem with angular unconformities? Upheaval shifted parts of the column. What's the big deal? As for dinosaurs, you assume the timeline interpretation of the column, but if there was some mechanical explanation for why dinosaurs are only found in certain layers, then the relation of their burial level to meteor impact is not necessarily causal.
so it stands to reason that a big object from space hit the earth, and killed off the dinosaurs. feel free to suggest another way to read the data. Done. edits to correct dumb little errors. This message has been edited by Faith, 05-23-2005 02:43 PM
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