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Author Topic:   Security Rounds, Marines Killing Wounded/Fallujah
Primordial Egg
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Message 15 of 34 (172827)
01-01-2005 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
01-01-2005 2:51 AM


Fallujah eye witness report
On the topic of the US attack on Falluajah, I've just seen this article by an eye witness in Fallujah. It details how the attack on Fallujah was as deliberate and premeditated a war crime as the Serbian offensive against Srebineca or the Russian attack on Grozny. Excerpts:
Americans did not have interpreters with them, so they entered houses and killed people because they didn’t speak English! They entered the house where I was with 26 people and shot people because they didn’t obey their orders, even just because the people couldn’t understand a word of English. Ninety-five percent of the people killed in the houses that I saw were killed because they couldn’t speak English.
I saw cluster bombs everywhere, and so many bodies that were burned, dead with no bullets in them. So they definitely used fire weapons, especially in Julan District. I watched American snipers shoot civilians so many times. I saw an American sniper in a minaret of a mosque shooting everyone that moved.
He also witnessed something which many refugees from Fallujah have reported.
I saw civilians trying to swim the Euphrates to escape, and they were all shot by American snipers on the other side of the river.
PE

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Primordial Egg
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Message 17 of 34 (172970)
01-02-2005 7:30 AM
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01-01-2005 7:48 PM


Re: Fallujah eye witness report
There are several reports showing how men, women and children were taken out by US sniper fire:
This from an eye-witness to the April offensive
For weeks, Fallujah was a series of sometimes mutually inaccessible pockets, divided by the no-man’s-lands of sniper fire paths. Snipers fired indiscriminately, usually at whatever moved. Of 20 people I saw come into the clinic I observed in a few hours, only five were military-age males. I saw old women, old men, a child of 10 shot through the head; terminal, the doctors told me, although in Baghdad they might have been able to save him.
One thing that snipers were very discriminating about — every single ambulance I saw had bullet holes in it. Two I inspected bore clear evidence of specific, deliberate sniping. Friends of mine who went out to gather in wounded people were shot at. When we first reported this fact, we came in for near-universal execration. Many just refused to believe it. Some asked me how I knew that it wasn’t the mujaheddin. Interesting question. Had, say, Brownsville, Texas, been encircled by the Vietnamese and bombarded (which, of course, Mr. Bush courageously protected us from during the Vietnam war era) and Brownsville ambulances been shot up, the question of whether the residents were shooting at their own ambulances, I somehow guess, would not have come up. Later, our reports were confirmed by the Iraqi Ministry of Health and even by the U.S. military.
Also by the same author (includes photos of ambulances with sniper bullet holes).
This article is an interview with a US sniper
Curiously, while I'd certainly not expect the sniper to talk of shooting civilians, the glee with which he talks about taking out targets only seems to reinforce the case....
"It's a sniper's dream," he said in polite, matter-of-fact tones. "You can go anywhere and there are so many ways to fire at the enemy without him knowing where you are."
...
A sign on the wall of sniper school at Camp Pendleton, Calif., displays a Chinese proverb: "Kill One Man, Terrorize a Thousand." "Sometimes a guy will go down, and I'll let him scream a bit to destroy the morale of his buddies," said the Marine corporal. "Then I'll use a second shot."
At present, there aren't that many coming independent eye witness reports coming out of Fallujah (which is understandable, I suppose), although I'm informed that at the time there were several pictures on Arab tv showing the injured and dead due to US sniping. Each of the links I've posted are biased to some degree, but I'll leave you to decide whether or not the reports are credible, bearing in mind that the burden of proof for atrocities is always heavier for the losers.
PE
This message has been edited by Primordial Egg, 01-02-2005 07:35 AM

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