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Author Topic:   Why Do People Steal?
Buzsaw
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Message 96 of 270 (641404)
11-18-2011 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
11-18-2011 6:03 PM


Re: Creationist vs Evolutionist Inhibitions
Percy writes:

One of the things creationists teach us everyday is that people have little difficulty convincing themselves of the truth of whatever it is they want to believe.

Biblical fundamentalist Christian creationists have a fear of God who's book says things like "whom he loves he chastens; vengeance is mine says Jehovah; do to others what you would have them to do to you; and Be sure, your sins will find you out."

Evolutionists, who have little difficulty convincing themselves that a tiny chaotic hot speck they call the zero event, over enough time, emerged naturally into all of the observable orderly wonders of the Universe, may be more likely to convince themselves that there is no consequence for stealing.

They observe in the observable world at hand, chaotic disorder does not tend toward order outside of a planner designer.

Evolutionists wouldn't tend to factor in an operative god to reckon with in their naturalistic mind-set.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 111 of 270 (641466)
11-19-2011 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Dr Adequate
11-18-2011 11:12 PM


Re: Cherry Picking Biblical Scripture
DA writes:

The trouble is that they also believe that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for believing that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for believing that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for ... wait, this sentence is becoming infinitely recursive.

Which at least some of them seem to regard as a moral carte blanche.

DA, it appears that you need to be apprised of the term, fundamentalist. Then you need to know and understand the corroborated fundamentals of the NT regarding forgiveness.

On the one hand it says, "If we confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." I John 1:9

You then corroborate this with James 2:18-21:

quote:
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


Thus you don't cherry pick from Biblical truth so as to obfuscate it to someone's private interpretation, as is so frequently applicable to members in their futile attempt to debunk the reliability of the Biblical record.

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Edited by Buzsaw, : word correction


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 128 of 270 (641620)
11-20-2011 7:14 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Dr Adequate
11-20-2011 3:11 AM


Re: Cherry Picking Biblical Scripture
DA writes:

DA, it appears that you need to be apprised of the term, fundamentalist. Then you need to know and understand the corroborated fundamentals of the NT regarding forgiveness.

Ah, the No True Christian gambit.

Thus you don't cherry pick from Biblical truth so as to obfuscate it to someone's private interpretation ...

You're right, I don't --- I leave that up to Christian fundamentalists, who are so good at it after so many centuries of practice. All I do is observe that they exist.

It appears that you either ignored the James fundamental regarding sins & forgiveness or didn't read it. It is what the true fundamentalist practices and believes.

Perhaps that our nation has more Biblical fundamentalists per capita than any others is why this nation has been the place where so many have sought for freedom, refuge and the good life. The old secularist Soviet Union, Red China and most third world nations come to mind.

Perhaps you should try Muslim fundamentals or the fundamentals of Communism. Paganistic ones? How about the fundi record of Catholicism as per Spain, Italy and Mexico et al? No? Must be most US Christian fundies have traditionally believed the James doctrine.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 134 of 270 (641701)
11-21-2011 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Dr Adequate
11-20-2011 11:16 PM


Re: Why Do Some Steal?
Buzsaw writes:

It appears that you either ignored the James fundamental regarding sins & forgiveness or didn't read it. It is what the true fundamentalist practices and believes.

Ah, yes, the True Fundamentalists. But I was just talking about Christian fundamentalists in general, not just the ones whom you consider to be "true".

A fundi is a fundi is a fundi, one who goes by the book. All others need not apply as a fundi who fail to follow the fundamentals of the book.

Biblical fundies are givers, as per the book; not taker thieves. One who steals is not a Biblical fundi. It's the givers who made America what it is, not the takers.

Fundies apply both the forgiveness of sins with the James responsibilities applicable to the forgiveness. Many a thief has become a giver after a good dose of Biblical Holy Spirit conversion. I know some personally. In fact when my deceased dad was a young man, he worked as a mechanic for an oil company in Wyoming. When he left, he took a few of the company tools with him. After his conversion, some years later, he went to the company to confess and make restitution.

Dad then became a giver. He gave late model Buick to the Clause Family, a native American traveling evangelistic team. He was a giver up until his death. Now all of us, his six children are also givers, following the Biblical fundamentals.

Bottom line; as per topic, true Biblical fundamentalists are givers, more so than taker thieves.

Why do people steal? Because they are thieves. All secularists are not thieves, but most thieves are secularists, having no sense of accountability to a higher power.

Buzsaw writes:

Perhaps that our nation has more Biblical fundamentalists per capita than any others is why this nation has been the place where so many have sought for freedom, refuge and the good life.

No, I think it was the availability of freedom, refuge, and the good life.

But it was not atheists, secularists pagan, Muslims, Roman Catholics non fundies, et al, by and large, who made the nation free and prosperous. It has been immigrants form these nations who came for the freedom, refuge and good life to the land of Biblical minded majority citizenry.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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