It's cheaper to make your child lunch and dinner than to buy them McDonlads.
Only if your time isn't worth anything. (Which is frequently assumed to be the case of women, which is why family meals have long been assumed to be the woman's work.) At the median US income it's more expensive to cook one meal - of just rice and beans! - than it is to grab McDonalds on the way home from work.
Only if your time isn't worth anything. (Which is frequently assumed to be the case of women, which is why family meals have long been assumed to be the woman's work.)
I'd take it even further than this. It's pretty expensive to fix yourself anything like a healthy meal at home. What's relatively cheap is filling your kids up on empty calories and fatty, sugary garbage.
Its sleazy and intrusive. We've banned that sort of market from cigarette companies because their product are unhealthy, and I think the same case could be made against fast food.
cigarette companies marketed to kids? not in your lifetime. maybe in the 1940s.
I think your sort of idea of banning everything that is unhealthy is a dangerous way of thinking.
A flippant response like that makes it sound like you don't have much experience with children...
Why is that?
McDonalds is easy for the parents too. And kids tend to get what they want. Spoiling their desires with cheap gimmicks like clowns and playpens could be called "evil" when your product is designed to be all taste and no nutrition while min/maxing cost and profit. Certainly, trying to get kids to eat healthier food would be a nobler cause.
Well my parents didn't do that. Maybe I am spoiled by having really good parents. I shouldn't assume that your parents did the right thing.
I'd take it even further than this. It's pretty expensive to fix yourself anything like a healthy meal at home.
Absolutely not. Just google cheap healthy eating. There's a bunch of website doing just that, showing people how to feed their family for cheap. Very cheap. Average dinner at McDonalds cost almost $25 dollars - See here. Many websites are showing meals for the family for less than $10 - See here - and take about 10 minutes to make. I've spent that kind of time in a drive thru during rush hour.
That's ridicuous unless someone is seriously fucking with the numbers.
No fucking - just the assumption of two hours of shopping, cooking, and cleanup at the median American wage, plus the cost of food. I think it's fairly defensible to suggest that a home-cooked, from-scratch dinner for four requires two hours of labor to shop, cook, and do the dishes. In fact I'd say that two hours is fairly generous for your side.
Like I said, it's only "cheaper" if your time is worthless.
sorry man, but I think crash has this one. I hate to agree with that person for anything, but fast food is cheaper than making food.
and a lot faster. just get everything off the $1 menu, everyone get's a Mcdouble or a McChicken, and you are drinking water.
4 people x $1 = $4.00 let's say $4.50 with tax. you can feed the whole family for under $5 and it took 3minutes to prepare, and serve to them.
I noticed in your link there was a meal that cost $1.11 per person, yet it took ALL DAY LONG to prepare. that is kind of impossible when both parents are working to pay the bills, and the children are at school all day. sure the Au pair could make that cheap dish but if you have an Au Pair then why are you concerned with cheap meals?
Shopping on the weekend and cooking 10-15 minute meals when your off of work isn't costing anything.
No, it's costing your time. And again your time is only free if your time is worthless. Yours probably is, but the median American's time is worth something like $16 an hour.
As a parent, you'd go broke feeding your kids McDonalds for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Yes, you would. But if the alternative means - as it does for many Americans - two less paid hours at work, then the cost of not eating McDonalds is even greater.
And you know what? Your kids won't fucking complain about eating McNuggets, but they might very well revolt at whatever revolting slop you're able to throw together for 5 dollars and 15 minutes. Talk to a parent - shutting your kids the fuck up about dinner is worth a pretty substantial dollar amount.
No, it's costing your time. And again your time is only free if your time is worthless.
Your time off of work is worthless, unless you fuck with the numbers. Instead of sitting on the couch watching crap, they could go grocery shopping.
Plus, here in NYC I shop daily walking home. It takes me about the same time as stopping at a fast food joint.
two less paid hours at work
Shop after work or on the weekend.
And you know what? Your kids won't fucking complain about eating McNuggets, but they might very well revolt at whatever revolting slop you're able to throw together for 5 dollars and 15 minutes
No one said $5 in 15 minutes. The average dinner at McDonalds, as I linked, is $25 - that's just dinner. I can makes a cheaper, better meal for $10 - my amazing spaghetti that my kids LOVE - and save $15 bucks. That's just an example. I can make many more meals for $10 - $15 which still saves me money.
Talk to a parent
Don't need to, I am one. You should talk to parents as you have no fucking clue what you're going on about.
shutting your kids the fuck up about dinner is worth a pretty substantial dollar amount.
Shoving McDonalds in their mouth so they won't complain is not only irresponsible, but shows you don't know how to parent. My kids have never complained to me about any meal I made for them, especially when I would include them in the cooking process.
If you start them off with good, healthy food, they actually reject the fast food garbage.
Then you're not exactly the average use case, are you? Most people live somewhere where they literally can't walk to the grocery store, so they have to drive. And I bet you're not paying a dollar for a can of green beans in downtown NYC, are you? Everybody knows how the price of food doubles or triples when you have to buy it from a bodega instead of from Megabox Mart or whatever you have out there (Giant, I think?)
Shop after work or on the weekend.
After work might be 7pm for someone who works first and second shifts. Doing the cooking and shopping might mean your kids don't get dinner till 8 or 8:30. I think a lot of people would consider that just way too late, especially if your kids got home at 3 and have to wait five hours for dinner.
Look, Oni, the poors aren't stupid. There's a reason that they've not embraced vast home cooked meals as a means to solve the food expenditure problem, and the reason is that contrary to everything you've said it's actually not at all cheaper to cook your own meals. The documentary Food, Inc has a really powerful segment where a working-class Hispanic family compares their usual meal of Burger King dollar menu items to what they could buy at a neighborhood grocery, and its astounding how much more expensive everything is at the grocery. Four oranges wind up costing more than an entire family meal at Burger King (which is, now, about ten dollars.) Trying to assemble an actual balanced meal of fresh vegetables and lean proteins is ruinous, it costs more than their entire food budget for the week.
When people turn to fast food instead of home cooking, it's not because McDonalds is in there lacing each burger with crack cocaine, its because McDonalds is presenting an unbeatable value proposition in most areas of the country and at most income levels. It's a meal, guaranteed to satiate without breaking the bank. No dishes or labor required. For a lot of people that makes real economic sense compared to paying double the cost and time to roll the dice on a home-cooked meal that, very likely, nobody is going to like.
Oni, look. I'm glad for you and for your kids that you have the time and energy to cook nutritious meals for them. That's a net win for you and for them and I'm glad it works out. But surely you can look around your NYC neighborhood and see why that solution isn't going to work for many of your neighbors. It has nothing to do with any nefarious deeds by McDonalds and everything to do with the capabilities and leftover energy of people who have to work 10-16 hour days just to barely make it.