To discuss who it is a crime against is to acknowledge it is a crime. Crimes with victims and 'victimless' crimes are, by definition, crimes.
The definition of 'a crime' requiring a victim is only used by criminals who can't accept that what they are doing is a crime. If our actions are a breach of criminal law then we have committed a crime and are therefore criminals.
If I were you And I wish that I were you All the things I'd do To make myself turn blue
There can be many interpretation of what stealing is.
*steps onto soap box*
We all steal.
This can go from taking something directly from another individuals person (picking a pocket or mugging), stealing from a store or business (shop lifting, returning something you have used for a refund), stealing by finding (keeping something you find knowing it is not yours), paying cash in order to avoiding (stealing from your government), making fraudulent insurance claims etc etc etc
There is also theft of common goods. The 'tragedy of the commons'.
All of the commonly owned 'goods' on this earth belong to every person. All people now and all people in the future.
Every time you take home a shell from the beach, you take something that belongs to everyone. Every time you take more than the bag limit when you hunt or fish, you are taking more than your share from the common pool. Every time you take a tree for christmas from a public forest, you are taking from everyone.
The air we breath and the clean water on this earth is also everybodies. Whenever you pollute the air or water, you are stealing from everyone. When you pour oil down a drain that runs to a river or throw plastic garbage into your incinerator instead of disposing of it properly, you are stealing from everyone.
It could be said that anyone who does not do their best to be environmentaly friendly is stealing from future generations.
We all steal from someone.
Here endeth the greenies rant.
*steps down from soapbox*
I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
The trouble is that they also believe that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for believing that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for believing that God forgives them all their sins as a reward for ... wait, this sentence is becoming infinitely recursive.
Which at least some of them seem to regard as a moral carte blanche.
DA, it appears that you need to be apprised of the term, fundamentalist. Then you need to know and understand the corroborated fundamentals of the NT regarding forgiveness.
On the one hand it says, "If we confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins." I John 1:9
You then corroborate this with James 2:18-21:
quote: 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Thus you don't cherry pick from Biblical truth so as to obfuscate it to someone's private interpretation, as is so frequently applicable to members in their futile attempt to debunk the reliability of the Biblical record.
How many readers would engage in a cash transaction in order to avoid paying the tax? I know I would and I consider myself to be scrupulously honest.
I have declined to do so; I can't put my hand on my heart and say that I always would (I might behave differently if I was really strapped for cash).
If I could really trust that God would even everything out someday, I would never be tempted to take justice into my own hands. Wealthy folks get tax breaks and deplete MY pensions and MY investments to steal from us. When it becomes survival of the fittest...wait, thats probably what many safeway shoplifters use to reason with!
It does not matter what you consider right or wrong, if it is illegal then it is a crime.
Yes of course comrade citizen.
A crime requires a victim. Not a theoretical victim but a flesh and blood victim who can demonstrate that they have been harmed in some way. In most cases, illegal activity is criminal but not always. Rosa Parks broke the law but committed no crime. The protesters in Syria are apparently in opposition to the law. Are they criminals? What crime did Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn commit and against who? Or the gay Iranians that hang from the gallows. Or the pot smokers. Crimes against the state are just like crimes against god, they don’t exist. You need a person suffering on the other end. So no, I don’t agree that all illegal activity is criminal. We all have a sense of right and wrong and it precedes the law. The law is dependant on it and you have an obligation as a sentient being to follow your conscience before the law.
Stealing is criminal and it is a crime because there is a victim not because it is against the law. We allow it to be against the law because it is a crime. When you work it your way we end up with laws that turn citizens into criminals.
Well, no, it does not require a victim. If it is illegal by definition it is a crime.
It really is that simple.
But the reasons people steal are complex; they may believe it is a victimless crime, covered by insurance, that they deserve what is stolen, they might even have a valid reason to steal; to save someones life, to save their life.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
Is the corollary then true that if it is not illegal then it is not a crime?
In the land of simple definitions, does your right to property trump my right to life? If I steal a loaf of bread to avoid starvation is that really a crime? It is certainly illegal and it is certainly theft but is it a crime? If I legally manage to obtain all the bread and then allow you to starve is that not a crime even though perfectly legal?
My brother and I were discussing the looming apocalypse. The question was, ‘would you shoot someone who came to pilfer your potatoes?’ Are we obliged to defend our potatoes or should we starve together?
Laws are made by popular consensus and can be amended by popular consensus, if situations warrant. I'll never let a trite legality stand in the way of common sense. If I run a red light on a deserted street corner at 3 am, I don't expect any cop to even bother pursuing me if they see, since they too have common sense.
Technically they could ticket me. That I will admit.