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Author Topic:   What to believe, crisis of faith
jar
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Message 147 of 302 (245143)
09-20-2005 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by nator
09-20-2005 10:37 AM


Re: Existential despair is at least realistic
I'm not even sure that humans would win if the sole criteria were intellegence. One of the remarkable things about the cephalopods is there ability to individually and independantly control the color and texture of upwards of twenty million skin cells. The sheer control, rapid, neurally controlled polymorphism, is far beyond anything even our technology can duplicate.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 153 of 302 (245183)
09-20-2005 1:15 PM
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09-20-2005 1:02 PM


Re: Existential despair is at least realistic
And you still have not even approached the intellegence level of the average cephalopod, that can not only change color, but texture, size, shape and do so using nothing but mind and body. As to telling a story, perhaps when we've evolved some more we might be able to understand cephalopods communications but their launguage if far too complex for us to understand right now. The most we can do is stand like children and try to understand what the grownups are talking about.

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Message 184 of 302 (245495)
09-21-2005 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by robinrohan
09-21-2005 1:26 PM


Re: Our uniqueness
They don't progress to dams with electric power, etc.
But that is progress only within a human, and in fact a subset of humans, perception.
While I believe I can make a case for humans being unique in a few particular ways, none of those make humans superior to other animals and in far to many ways we are definitely inferior even from a human centric point of view.
I can see nothing though that would point to humans being something special or extraordinary in the eyes of GOD.

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jar
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Message 252 of 302 (246954)
09-28-2005 11:57 AM
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09-28-2005 11:18 AM


Re: eazi peezi lemon squeezi
A good number of your peers say it is incorrect to say evolution is fact.
I would say evolution is a FACT. The Theory of Evolution, the mechanics of how it happened, are Theory.

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jar
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Message 258 of 302 (247030)
09-28-2005 4:25 PM
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09-28-2005 3:37 PM


Re: eazi peezi lemon squeezi
I see that Asgara has already answered you but no, speciation has been observed, evolution has been observed. As to the distinction between Micro and Macro evolution, that exists only in the minds of Creationists.
And so far the ONLY explanation that has withstood testing is the TOE. Until someone can put forward another possible explanation the ONLY game in town is TOE.

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Message 266 of 302 (247065)
09-28-2005 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 265 by New Cat's Eye
09-28-2005 6:53 PM


Re: Really?!?
It sure seems as though Genesis says we have the same knowledge of right and wrong as GOD.
Genesis 3:
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
That certainly sounds as though there is no difference.

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jar
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Message 296 of 302 (247904)
10-01-2005 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Aztraph
10-01-2005 10:08 AM


Were nearing the Witching Hour ...
but I'd like to point you towards one possible source to explore.
Literal interpretation of the Bible as Fact is a fairly recent phenomenon. Throughout most of history, Scripture has been understood to be about teaching folk how to live with each other and how to interpret the world around us within the knowledge and understanding of the era and culture. That's why the two different accounts of the Creation were included in Genesis.
If you have time, do some reading of the Talmud, or stop by a local synagogue and talk to a Rabbi. Look at the history of interpretation going back to the very earliest days. You'll find that not only were subjects open to interpretation, but that diversity of opinion was the norm, not the exception.
Enjoy your journey. You've embarked on a wondrous, exciting and productive voyage.

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