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Rahvin
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Message 38 of 302 (243843)
09-15-2005 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Aztraph
09-14-2005 9:35 PM


Aztraph, I sympathize. Many of us have gone through a similar crisis of faith. It's not fun to have the belief system you've been taught and held to since you were a child shaken by education.
When it really comes down to it, only you can decide what you are going to believe. Here at EvC we have representations of just about every step from fundamentalist, literalist Christian to full-blown atheist.
I think it's important to remember that there is no black-white conflict. You can remain Christian and still hold to science.
When I went through a similar crisis of faith, I asked myself what kind of life I want to lead. It turns out that, for me, the teachings of Jesus work. I want to be that kind of person. Next, I asked myself if it really mattered if the Bible was literally true or not. It turns out I would want to be a follower of Jesus' teachings even if He never existed, and the Bible was a fairy tale. So, the challenges presented by science to a literal interpretation of the Bible were swept away for me - it doesn't need to be literally true. Further ivestigations simply backed up that idea. Archeological finds like the Epic of Gilgamesh tablets that predate the Flood story (and were likely the basis of the Flood), modern observations of the way religious leaders can promote basically any idea as God's Will, and other things along similar lines showed me that literalism is highly unlikely. So, I take the message I get out of the BIble and interpret it by looking at the people who wrote it, their motivations, their culture, etc. But this is what works for me - you may find that a different path makes the most sense to you.
When it comes down to it, Aztraph, all you can really trust is your own heart. For Biblical literalism, all you really have is the say-so of several people who already believe that way, and a really old book that says it's all true. For science, you have theories based on reproducible experiments that, while accurate in describing the world around us, are beyond your ability to experiment with yourself (well, not all of them anyway). I would say that one is the more rational choice, but personal faith doesn't have to be entirely rational. Since you say you believe in God, regardless of Biblical literalism, I would advise you to pray. He won't steer you wrong if you're asking for help. My advice would be to put your faith and trust in your own heart and God. Whether they tell you to believe in an old book about God, or science, or a little of both, you can never go wrong trusting in God and what you know to be true deep down.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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Rahvin
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Message 87 of 302 (244137)
09-16-2005 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Aztraph
09-15-2005 9:13 PM


I started distrusting the Bible when i learned of the speed of light and the time it takes light from other galaxies to reach us, indicating the universe is older than what the bible says. And granted God can make the universe that way, but why confuse the issue.
Basically same here, when I actually decided to compare the Creation story. Oddly enough, for many years I just kind of kept science and the Bible in totally seperate areas of my brain, and didn't ever critically examine the Bible in light of evidence until after high school.
It's a good fact to break the Creation account on. Either Creation didn't literally happen the way the Bible says, or God made the universe to lie to us. Not a hard choice.
I started questioning science (physics specificaly) when i started learning (not understanding) string theory, a particle of energy that cannot be proven, but fits mathematically. and interestingly enough, because of the inability to prove it's exhistence, String theory is just as philosophical as the belief in the spiritual.
Remember that string theory is a mathematical theory, and there have only been bits and peices of evidence thus far to support it. It looks great mathematically, but it's far from complete, and for many aspects we are simply not yet technologically advanced enough to test it.
For those theories, like evolution, that are widely held to be highly accurate descriptions of the natural world, there is no reason to doubt, unless you have a bias towards believing in another origin story - like the Biblical Creation myth.
The key with science is to remember that science is not the search for truth. It's curiosity and an attempt to describe our natural world as accurately as possible. We may never get it exactly right through science, but our theories will be damned close (or at least functionally capable of making accurate predictions).
Science is like believing your own two eyes, becuase it can be confirmed any time if you can set up the experiment. Religion is a more...personal matter, and cannot be verified except through personal faith.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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