ardent feminism is the only appropriate choice for a man strong enough to love a strong woman.
What version of feminism are you talking about when you say "ardent"? I love strong women (mental and physical) and follow several modern feminists, but I can't stand the classic-prude feminist rhetoric regurgitated by some of the people around here.
Our best hope as a species is the rational acceptance of gender-free participation in all fields...Only the full synthesis will save us.
As much as I like working with women equally, what is our species needing to be saved from?
Frankly I found much of this subthread personally revolting. Lets talk about equality and rationality.
Intentionally drugging someone (including alcohol) in order to overpower them is rape because that acknowledges the other would not be willing. Taking advantage of a person that is totally inebriated (passed out/incoherent) would essentially be the same thing... even if it is more a crime of opportunity.
But the idea that drinking alcohol and so not being fully cogent makes sex rape is ridiculous.
This kind of stuff is part of the antisex position that humans basically don't want it, and if so only when they are at their most rational. That has little bearing with experience. Sex is a heady emotional thing. And drink has rather long been known to make people's inhibitions reveal what they want, including sexual desire, rather than what they don't want. It can be fun to have sex in that state. Both sexes drink and get drunk and (believe it or not) actually choose to do both together. There are even women who don't drink (being nondrinkers) while their boyfriends/husbands/dates do and then have sex. Is that rape? If not, why not?
If a person sleeps with someone while drinking and then regrets that choice the next morning, feeling they wouldn't have done so without drinking... that's a mistake. That's their mistake. A person should should not be held accountable for someone else's desires and regrets, only for when they intentionally overpower a person's will.
And again with the "informed consent" garbage. If informed consent was real then many people would be barred from having sex, most especially the mentally handicapped.
Sex is not a complex situation. People want it or they do not. If you have sex with someone who doesn't want it, or take precautions so they don't have a chance to express their choice (unconscious/incoherent) then you are violating/raping someone. That one or another partner are inebriated and so less socially guarded, perhaps more open to making a "mistake" they regret later, is not.
Yeah and I love that we can talk about this subject as women being the objects of rape and men the eternal perpetrator. Both sexes can be raped and sexually violated. Being a guy who has been can be extremely rough to get people to believe as well as to live down. Societal expectations are very hard on men that way.
But yeah, anyway, Up with Women.
Edited by holmes, : subthreadectomy
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