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Taz
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Message 1 of 20 (369814)
12-14-2006 8:37 PM


World's oldest dolphin species declared effectively extinct.
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BEIJING, China (AP) -- An expedition searching for a rare Yangtze River dolphin ended Wednesday without a single sighting and with the team's leader saying one of the world's oldest species was effectively extinct.
The white dolphin known as baiji, shy and nearly blind, dates back some 20 million years. Its disappearance is believed to be the first time in a half-century, since hunting killed off the Caribbean monk seal, that a large aquatic mammal has been driven to extinction.
A few baiji may still exist in their native Yangtze habitat in eastern China but not in sufficient numbers to breed and ward off extinction, said August Pfluger, the Swiss co-leader of the joint Chinese-foreign expedition.
"We have to accept the fact, that the Baiji is functionally extinct. We lost the race," Pfluger said in a statement released by the expedition. "It is a tragedy, a loss not only for China, but for the entire world. We are all incredibly sad."

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Taz
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Message 4 of 20 (369852)
12-15-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Hyroglyphx
12-14-2006 11:07 PM


Re: Condors
NJ, the problem I see is that China neither have the resources nor the will to put the necessary efforts into conservation and reintroduction of the dolphins. Japan may have the resources but they don't have the will.

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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Taz
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Message 7 of 20 (370703)
12-18-2006 5:27 PM


Bump
While there's little topic here to discuss, I think this species deserves another recognition before it is forgotten. After all, it only took a few million years (or a few seconds... if you're a creationist, either way) for this species to come about. If you're an evo, it survived 20 million years just so it could go away quietly into the night. If you're an creo, it survived the great flood and other god's wraths only to suffer extinction from our wrath.
Like I said, we'll miss you guys!

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

  
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Message 9 of 20 (370752)
12-18-2006 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Nigel Lapworth
12-18-2006 7:58 PM


Re: Condors
When I was referring to Japan, I wasn't talking specifically about the dolphins being discussed. My fault for being vague

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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Message 11 of 20 (370935)
12-19-2006 3:29 PM
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12-19-2006 2:48 PM


Re: Extintion in general
The answer is very simple. Why not?
Say we have species A. Species A does absolutely nothing for us. It doesn't benefit us or the environment at all. Nobody knows it exists. Why, then, should we not want it to go extinct? Because once it's gone it's gone.
We should care for these species that are going extinct not because they benefit us in some way but because of the simple fact that they exist.
A long time ago, I had a conversation with a friend of mine about extinction and such. He happened to be a philosophy major. Anyway, somehow the topic changed into knowledge. He pointed out to me, and I later agreed, that art is more important science. It is true that science has helped humanity in more ways that art ever did.
But in science, the hydrogen atom will always be there even if tomorrow everybody suffers amnesia and all science is lost. The hydrogen atom will still be there for us to rediscover it. But if you lose something like the Mozart Clarinet Concerto, it's gone for good.
Why should we care for all the species that are dying out there even though we've never heard of most of them? Because once they're gone they're gone.

George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger

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Taz
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Message 18 of 20 (37169)
04-16-2003 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Archer Opteryx
08-12-2007 6:35 AM


Re: Extinction in general
Archer writes:
Losing what you've got before you even know what you have... human experience has shown that, time and again, to be a bad way to do things.
Reminds me of what happened to the Dead Sea Scrolls before it got to mainstream archaeologists. A goat herder threw a stone into one of the many caves he saw. He heard something broke. Went inside and found dozens and dozens of ancient jars. Inside he found scrolls with texts he didnt recognize. What did he decide to do with all this stuff he found? He decided to use them as firewood. Started burning them.
It was only by the grace of the God Tazmanian Devil (Buzsaw has asked me to honor the second commandment) that an achaeology student passed by the market and saw one of these scrolls the goat herder had been showing people.
Was it really the goat herder's fault that the scrolls came this close to being burned for someone's immediate need? Was it really his fault that the scrolls, after surviving centuries of natural elements as well as human's nature to destroy, came this close to being lost forever?
I can't really blame him for it because he was ignorant. This is the same kind of ignorance that have pretty much been causing mass extinction in our age and time. I think the root cause of extinction in our day and age is unrelenting poverty.
Unrelenting poverty leads to unrelenting ignorance. Unrelenting ignorance leads to carelessness. Why worry about a few gorrilas or dolphins or birds when I got a family to feed? Carelessness leads to destruction of habitats. Why worry about a few trees when I gotta make some money to buy that western color tv? Destruction of habitats leads to depletion of fertile grounds. Why spend valuable time to clear a section of forest to farm when you can just slash and burn and then move on to next section of the forest? Depletion of fertile grounds leads to depletion of more fertile grounds. And it goes on and on.
What gets to me is that rather than trying to protect what they claim to be god's gift to humanity, christians seem to be all too supportive of the destruction of habitats and extinction of many species, the same habitats and species that they claim to be god's gift to them. If I got a gift for my birthday from my wife, I don't just throw it into the trash can. I actually would show interest in it. Try to make it a part of my daily life. Etc.
Which comes to this question. Between a tree hugger and a christian conservative that only cares about coorporate expansion, even if it means destroying whole sections of forests and killing entire species, which one appears to care more for god's creation?
Anyway, enough with my rant on extinction.
In the last generation, really, our own species has begun in earnest to understand cladistics. We are beginning to put together life's family tree. We are coming to appreciate the odds any species has to beat, through eons of evolution, just to be here. You want to know more about that. How did it get here? How does it relate to the other living things on this planet? What can it teach us?
Forget all of that. Most people in areas where the extinction rates are highest believe in special creation, not evolution. Ask them why their fellow christians in the developed countries are allowing them to destroy god's gift to man like that.

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