Don't turn my God-fearing kid gay!

The Texas state House has approved legislation that would prohibit homosexuals and bisexuals from becoming foster parentsAbsolutely ridiculously unreasonable. What do you fundamentalists on this forum have to say about this? I'm genuinely curious as to where exactly this kind of ignorance stems from.

Haha, I was wondering the same thing. "Hmm.. is he being sarcastic?"This message has been edited by dsv, Wednesday, April 20, 2005 09:20 PM

It comes down to how homosexuality is viewed by the Christian-right as a disease that plagues the sinful. Something that needs to be cured by the church. Apparently it's highly contagious as well.

Well as far as the reasoning, I think it's the simple act of "laying with a man like you would a woman." I assume it is equally harsh to lay with a woman as you would a man, if you're a woman. To my understanding this is the only specifically anti-homosexual comments that Christians use against them. I'm sure someone knows the specifics better than I do.As for the actual reason why it's such a big issue, I believe it's just the xenophobic nature of faith-based initiatives.This message has been edited by dsv, Friday, April 22, 2005 09:56 AM

All I can say is wow.I think I have lurked on these forums for years and although I have only recently started actively posting, I think I can tell you, Stuco, your ignorance isn't appreciated from either side of the great debate.What you're preaching is pure hate and it's disgusting. Your numbers are pure nonsense as Jar mentioned, and your attitude is bullshit.I have the upmost respect for Christians on these forums and any organized religion follower that has respect for science and is open to discussion but you sir are exactly the kind of person that is not only giving your faith a bad name but also your country.You are exactly the kind of individual that supports this kind of legislation in the OP. Your lie-soaked propaganda precedes you. I can't imagine any God or smarter-than-human being wanting you in their kingdom of eternal life, get a clue.Pfft!ON EDIT: To be fair, I suppose I should mention (since this IS a forum of debate), if you have any actual evidence and real numbers you would like to bring up, I'd be happy to prove them wrong.This message has been edited by dsv, Friday, April 22, 2005 08:20 PM

Phatboy, I'm not claiming that all Christians are "bashers" at all. Honestly, even though I consider it very hypocritical, I don't have a problem with Christians practicing as much gay bashing as they possibly can inside their churches. Go at it! They're all going to hell, it's a sick disease of sin, etc.As long as the ministry isn't hurting anyone or interrupting the lives of homosexuals, I don't see a problem with it. People have the right to believe whatever they want and they have the right to assemble based on their common beliefs.What I DO have a problem with, is using that faith-based opinion to promote discrimination in state-funded organizations. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexual households are unsafe for children.Why does being open about your sexuality have to do with raising children? Is our goal to raise children to be closed and shy away from discussion? Shall we not allow children to be raised in households with television or radio? I suppose they should also be home schooled? The list goes on and on.Disfunction does not start with sexual orientation or being open about your sexuality. It comes down to fear, and that's why I think it's ridiculous.There are people in power now that want us to move backwards instead of forwards as a society. I mean, haven't we passed all this years ago? I honestly don't understand.

This is off-base.You seem to have the same mental picture of homosexuality as most xenophobic Americans are leaning toward (unfortunately).A club-going ultra fem 25 year old boy-lover on X does not walk into the adoption agency and get approved. Just as a 25 year old hetero-jock smoking pot does not get approved. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it.We are talking about stable, loving homes. I happen to be great friends with an older homosexual couple in their late 40's & early 50's. They have a beautiful home (decorated magnificently, of course!). They go boating, they work at offices, they make money, they pay the mortgage.They have SEX, I'm sure...Just like "openly" heterosexual couples.Do you see my point?

Well I think we agree.They're NOT legislating morality, though.They're legislating what they consider to be right based on their opinions. Sexual orientation and morality have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Their only connection is in religion.Therefore they are legislating based on their personal religious beliefs, that is wrong and is in direct opposition of the constitution.I do not believe morality is connected to religion, it's human.This message has been edited by dsv, Saturday, April 23, 2005 02:20 PM

Because it's rather gay?(joking)

God forbid we teach our children acceptance and tolerance.

What if? There are people that feel this way. They live in nudist colonies across the United States and the world. Since clothing is a part of our society they save their nudity for inside the land they own. They have the right to do whatever they see fit (under the law) in the privacy of their own estates.They even have children and raise them in such areas. I remember a couple years ago some group was saying they shouldn't be allowed to raise children in that environment and it was ruled perfectly constitutional and dismissed.Under your logic we should be asking every potential parent if they're nudists as well as homosexual?At the very least don't homosexual couples have the same right as nudists, S&Mers, couples that role play, couples that dress up, etc. etc.?As far as public display, there is no ban against kissing or holding hands as far as I know, just because two men or two women kissing freaks someone out doesn't make it unlawful. It's all too common that people use religion as a free pass for bigotry, hate and intolerance. What year is it? When will we be beyond such nonsense, if ever?

That's your first problem. Since you're part of a xenophobic organization that loves to hate, you're assuming that homosexuality should not and can not be acceptable to society. When really, it's the ignorant homophobes out there who need to wake up to a reality that it's no longer the freaking middle ages, not the homosexuals.Wake up my friend!Stop classifying homosexuals as a race of people. We're all human, we're all hungry, we're all horny. Some of us like Pollo Milanese, some of us like Chicken Parmigiana. Some of us like girl parts, some of us like boy parts. Get with it.

The organization I was referring to was organized Christian religions, obviously. Specifically ones that promote an unproductive (to society) view of homosexuals -- since not all Christian ministries do, there are some very nice free thinking ones out there.I would certainly not want to confuse those ministries that participate in very helpful projects to those that release flyers filled with hate and lies about homosexuals. So, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify. Sarcastic at times, perhaps -- never joking though -- this subject is very important to me. When did I say everyone was gay? That has absolutely nothing to do with it. If some guy named Bill lived in Texas and was the 1 and only homosexual person in the entire world and ever in history, should we go burn him alive?What about African and native Americans? They are both minorities as well, does that mean they shouldn't be accepted in society?For some reason you think I said homosexuality was widely accepted. Obviously it is not, there are still a lot of people who remain stedfast in their opposition to it, just look at the original post. What I'm saying is that it should be.It's hard to find real statistics on homosexuality that aren't hosted on extreme Christian fundamentalist sites that basically say "Oh, and another thing, they all have AIDS!!!" etc. However, if you'd like some numbers as far as homosexuality being socially accepted, consider Million for Marriage -- which is part of the Human Rights Campaign -- currently has 616,922 signatures and is well above schedule for reaching their target.

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bigot (n.)
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

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If the shoe fits.

As I continued to read your post, it's like I was checking people off the list for potential parents.I think the only person left is God. Congratulations.[edit typo]This message has been edited by dsv, Wednesday, April 27, 2005 07:26 PM

Troy, I wish your future family all the best.I can't help but notice no one has stepped up to directly say YOU are not a good parent regardless of how well they know you personally. I think it's because you've humanized the issue to a certain degree. Cowards.