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dwise1
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Message 46 of 140 (487969)
11-07-2008 3:50 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by LudoRephaim
11-07-2008 1:16 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
Sorry, just concentrating on one particular statement (too late and too much tequila tonight to do otherwise):
to trying to make Joe Biden's word mishap ("Pakistan has deployed nuclear weapons
Do you have any concept of what "deploying" means? That means to field the weapon/unit ready to engage. Whether you actually engage or not. Do you understand that? You deploy, but that does not mean that you actually engage. Do you understand that?
So, Pakistan had deployed nukes. Does that mean that they had actually nuked anyone (ie, "engaged the enemy")? No! Deploying a weapon system does not automatically mean that they had actually used that weapon system.

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Message 64 of 140 (488023)
11-07-2008 12:09 PM
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11-07-2008 11:52 AM


Re: Republican voters lost the election.
dwise1 writes:
Do you have any concept of what "deploying" means?
Did Biden?
Well, considering that he had used it correctly, ... .

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Message 65 of 140 (488025)
11-07-2008 12:18 PM
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11-07-2008 11:11 AM


While we're on the subjects of gaffes though, this is from the bottom of your first link:
quote:
Palin’s opponent, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, has also committed high-profile gaffes, including claiming in a recent interview that President Franklin D. Roosevelt calmed fears in a TV address at the beginning of the Great Depression. There was no TV in 1929 ” Roosevelt wasn’t president at the time.
Actually, as I recall, Hoover was the first President to be televised. That is to say, before FDR's presidency. And people in Hitler's Germany watched TV (Fernsehen), though I think that was only in Berlin.
Of course, those events did predate TV broadcasting and wide commercial usage (not sure what the setup was for Hoover, probably experimental in what we would now call "closed-circuit TV" and the Nazi TV programming was shown in a theater -- as I recall, one of the German secret weapons towards the end was an operator-controlled guided missile that had a TV camera in its nose).
However, the point does still stand that Biden made a gaffe. FDR's "Fireside Chats" were indeed broadcast on radio, since we did not yet have any TV broadcasting system.

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Message 70 of 140 (488041)
11-07-2008 1:05 PM
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11-07-2008 12:33 PM


The way people spin quotes is shameful. And so is the way people jump on them and spread the spin around.
Agreed. And it seemed to have been what the McCain campaign mostly consisted of, which I think helped lead to his defeat.

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