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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5528 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5528 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
fallacycop writes:
So you think Biden meant that Pakistan actually used nukes against its enemies? That's what bothered me from his statement. I'm more educated now on the ambiguous meaning of "deployment," but is Biden? Even if we take the second sense of the word deploy (and I do think that's the one Biden intended), it still isn't a gaffe because Pakstan did indeed deploy nuclear wepons in a test site. (But not against other countries). The first lesson of philosophy is that we may all be mistaken. ”Will Durant
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I knew that lefties would pounce on Palin, and Evc, as shown in the replies on this thread, are no different. Would this be because - in your heart - you knew she was not up to the job? Or do you think we would have "pounced" no matter how qualified she was? If the first, then why the problem. If the later then you insult us with lack of objectivity.
... make Joe Biden's word mishap ("Pakistan has deployed nuclear weapons"... Okay, ... Has this been cleared up for you? Does this mean that you regularly listen to news sources that misrepresent stuff like this and don't validate what they say against reality?
The blame goes to ultra-right wingers like CBN (and Limbaugh, whom i'll take a guess that he did the following too), people who bashed McCain througout the campaign, a man that was the choice of their OWN DARN PARTY (ODP)... Do you mean they should toe the party line no matter what their personal thoughts are? Then at least we agree that these people are not sources of facts, but that they are propagandists. If not, then we can agree that they are opinionated people with bad opinions.
But she was also targeted by righters; several people in my own Church (mostly Republicans) didn't like her, one of them (at least) because she was (get this!) PENTECOSTAL! That would no doubt be echoed in other Churches (Southern Bapist, and the like) nationwide. Perhaps that tells you that religion is not a measure for ability in government, and that what a person's religion is should not matter.
The blame for the republican failure in this election goes to Bush JR and his 8 year reign, the economic collapse, ... Yes, the fault is incompetence already elected to the white house - why follow one bad example with another? The fact remains that the Bush\Bush\Reagan economic policies bankrupted the lower classes and that bankruptcy trickled up to take down the giants. "Trickle down" is a fallacy, republican economic policy is invalid.
I put the blame in YOUR direction. So don't btch about the next four years! I take it from this that you think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, record unemployment is a good thing for america, that wage stagnation should be the new american dream, and financial collapse of the US economy is for our benefit? In my mind the last eight years have been the worst in american history and they fully demonstrate the error of using ideology to drive policy rather than reason. In contrast, I expect to see measurable improvement in the US economy, better US diplomacy and increased international cooperation in resolving the Iraq issue/s, vast improvement in how America is perceived abroad, a reduction in terrorism, and improved personal living standards for all in the next four years. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : added Edited by RAZD, : clarity by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Actually, it was in reference to the "real American . . .small town America" statement Palin made.
I stand corrected. I wasn't sure if it was the rape kit issue, the "real america" issue or the sneer about Obama being a community organizer, there are just so many reasons for a Fuck You Palin. soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
This is a source for the source.
Palin Didn't Know Africa Is A Continent, Says Fox News Reporter (VIDEO) | HuffPost Latest News There was a clip from fox news.. so who knows?
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5548 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
So you think Biden meant that Pakistan actually used nukes against its enemies?
If I remember it correctly, Biden does not say "against their enemies". He simply said "deployed wepons". And that much is indeed true, So I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Here's the quote again from that debate:
quote: While I think he simply meant "ready to fire at any minute", your explanation could also be true. He does indeed simply say "deployed" not "deployed against....". I hunt for the truth
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5528 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Huntard writes:
After thinking it over, I have to agree that Biden's use of the term was correct. For me it was more of an knee-jerk reaction to hear a senior statesman talk about deploying nuclear weapons. It carried, for me at least, an image of nukes in flight. But that was probably an emotional override of my good judgment. While I think he simply meant "ready to fire at any minute", your explanation could also be true. He does indeed simply say "deployed" not "deployed against....". ”FTF I can see Lower Slobovia from my house.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Biden aside, I have a confession to make now that the election is over and we know who the winner is.
I stated before that I was hoping for McCain to win to give Hillary another chance in 4 years. Right at the last moment, I switched my stance on it. Frankly, Palin scares the hell out of me. If McCain got elected, Palin would have been an inch from being President of the United States. This thought sent a chill down my spine and I found myself almost broken down to tears of relief when Obama was officially declared President Elect. I cheered not because I wanted Obama to win so badly. I cheered because the United States, my country which I love so much, have been spared of having a brainless, ignorant, egoistic maniac as the Vice President that will always be one 72-yr old's heartbeat away from being President of MY COUNTRY.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5548 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
Did you vote?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nope. First time I've not voted ever since it became legal for me to vote. That said, it doesn't mean I don't hope one way or the other.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
May I ask why you didn't vote? Did you really think Obama was such a bad pick for your country?
I hunt for the truth
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Taz Member (Idle past 3319 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Not that bad, I guess. 3 reasons why I didn't vote.
(1) I'm a disgruntled Clinton supporter.(2) I live in Illinois, a state that is blue no matter what happens. (3) Currently, I feel my vote doesn't count at all. After all, that's what the electoral system does.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
(3) Currently, I feel my vote doesn't count at all. After all, that's what the electoral system does. I couldn't agree with you more. I too did not vote. Also, anyone who was following the election could clearly see that Obama was going to win. You had to sift through the bs on tv to see it but, it was at least clear to me that he would take the presidency. "All great truths begin as blasphemies" "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Currently, I feel my vote doesn't count at all. And mine didn't count either, but it still contributed to to 20% of voters in this county that went for our new president-elect. And shit, we got texas up to 45% blue! I lost all faith in the electoral system in 1968, five days after I turned 21, when the choices on the ballot were Humphery, Nixon, and Wallace with no provision for me to write in Eldridge Cleaver.
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fallacycop Member (Idle past 5548 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: |
(1) I'm a disgruntled Clinton supporter.
Tough.
(2) I live in Illinois, a state that is blue no matter what happens.
What's the difference between (2) and (3)?
(3) Currently, I feel my vote doesn't count at all. After all, that's what the electoral system does.
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