Cow's milk - why do you keep sipping the poison?

Yes, definitely poisonous to anaerobic bacteria.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

I have some degree of lactose intolerance, and finally realizing that has helped my digestive health out a lot.About 75% of the world's population has some degree of lactose intolerance as well. That's the estimate anyway and it's pretty damn high. (compared to what I would have thought a few years ago)
Lactose intolerance - WikipediaBeing an American of European descent, my race/ group has about a 12% lactose tolerance rate.North American Jews are supposed to be almost 70%! African Americans, 75%. Native Americans, close to 100%. Damn.
Lactose intolerance - WikipediaIt sucks, but cutting milk, cheese, ice cream, and many other products that contain milk (I was surprised to see how many do) helps a lot of us lead healthier lives.

Do you know the common name for dihydrogen monoxide?Moose

Two hydrogen atoms, one oxygen atom.Edited by subbie, : Opps

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Yes, I do know the common name.But the message I replied to sure seemed to indicate that Agobot doesn't. Your hint might help him - But I'm not sure.Moose

agobot writes:
estrogen (28) - chief promoter of breast and prostate cancers Because i am NOT a transsexual. When and if i ever decide to change my gender from male to female, I'd gladly accept taking additional female hormones. This is a very common practice among transsexuals as evidenced on wikipedia:"For transwomen, taking estrogens causes among other changes:the growth of breasts, with concomitant enlargement of the nipples, and
redistribution of body fat.
thinning of skin.
For male-to-female transgendered people, HRT often includes antiandrogens in addition to the estrogens and progestagens mentioned above.HRT does not usually cause facial hair growth to be impeded; or the voice to change.[edit] Irreversible changes
breast development,
enlarged nipples and areolae
stretch marks (for some)[edit] Reversible changes
decreased libido,
redistribution of body fat,
reduced muscle development,
various skin changes,
significantly reduced body hair
change in body odor and sweat production,
less prominence of veins,
ocular changes,
gonadal size"Also here:"As a former step of SRS, there is a hormonal sex reassignment, which is the administration of androgen to genotype females, and administration of estrogen and/or progesterone to genotype males, for the purpose of effecting somatic changes in order for the patient to more closely approximate the physical appearance of the other sex."
Thailand Sex Change Surgery, Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, Cosmetic Surgery : Bangkok Plastic Surgery ClinicTaz, if you are now undergoing a gender change surgery, taking additional estrogen is really helpful to the cause(you are going to get boobs, body hair loss, etc.) Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

So, what ill effects of water are you talking about? Or are you taking part in this thread so that time would pass by?

Too much water could bugger up your ion channels.

I've been drinking milk my entire life, and last I checked, I wasn't turning into a girl.Seriously, Agobot. Point to a single example where a person developed medical problems due to consumption of dairy products not related to lactose intolerance. Do you have any evidence that the estrogen in cow milk actually causes feminization in human males? Any evidence that milk causes breast or prostate cancer, or any of the other things you've asserted here? Or are you just pulling all of this out of your ass, and from conspiracy-theory websites?because all I see is the same conspiracy-theorist bullshit about milk that I first saw over on Rense.com, haven of all things paranoid.Human males naturally produce their own estrogen, you know. And females produce testosterone. As has been mentioned previously, many of the compounds you listed occur naturally in humans already. Unless you can point to a peer-reviewed study that conclusively shows that drinking milk is hazardous, you're just wearing a tinfoil hat.But hey, thanks for letting us all know never to take you seriously again.

You talk as if you were the greatest mind in the world(do you really think you are?). And who are "we" when you you said "thanks for letting us ALL know never to take you seriously again"? Did it cross your mind that maybe, just maybe you should talk only about yourself and your position, instead of trying to present your position as the only valid one? As a matter of fact, you must at least try to prove your position with facts, researches and your own opinion, which you have failed in your last post.There are 2 links on the first page, one of which is a Harvard University reasearch on the matter. So what you said automatically translates into:"thanks for letting us all know never to take Harvard University seriously again" So if you are not turning into a girl, then taking in additional animal estrogens in safe? You must be completely drunk to base your point on this dumbshit argument. It's unbelievable. If you want to turn into a woman you have to FIRST undergo a surgical operation, then you'll receive your hormonal therapy which will include lots of estrogens(i gave you enough links on that).

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So if you are not turning into a girl, then taking in additional animal estrogens in safe?

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That depends entirely on the amount you're taking in. We are waiting for you to respond to Corgyps comment in Message 14: There are plant substances that mimic estrogens such as those found in soy. In fact, the reason we have estrogen therapy in the first place is because it is derived from plants. You made a big deal about Asian diets and not drinking milk, but Asian diets are often high in soy. Does it appear that the Asian population is under the effect of high levels of estrogen? Should we ban edamame?So please answer Coragyps question: What are the concentrations?

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

I am not obliged to provide any information for you. Next time you are interested in something, google it. Here is some help for starters:TESTERONE in raw cow's milk:40-75 pg/mlIn human blood serum normal concentration is around: 4 ng/ml
women being from non-detectable to 0.6 ng/mlESTROGENS -
Estradiol: 160 ng/ml, Estrone: 34-55 pg/mlSerum Estrone concentration in humans - 35 pg/mL
Serum Estradiol concentration in humans - 50-100 pg/mLINSULIN:4-6 ng/mlInsulin-like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1):IGF-1: 1-10 ng/mlBovine Growth Hormone (BGH):BGH: < 1 ng/mlGonadotropin Releasing Hormone (GnRH1):
GnRH1: 0.1-3 ng/mlParathyroid Hormone-related Peptide (PTHrP):
PTHrP: 58-185 ng/mlProgesterone:18-23 ng/mlIn normal premenopausal women:
serum progesterone levels are 4 to 20 ng/mlProlactin (PRL):
6-8 ng/mlProlactin serum levels in humans: normal values: 1.5-25 ng/mlMore here:
Hormones and Growth Factors in Raw MilkEdited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

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I am not obliged to provide any information for you.

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Burden of proof is always on the one making the claim. You're the one saying that there's a problem with milk. Therefore you are the one who has burden of providing the information.

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Next time you are interested in something, google it.

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But I don't know what you're referring to. I can find plenty of information, but what is the information you are referring to? Your original post provided no details and the sources you did cite didn't, either.Let's take a look at your first comment:

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TESTERONE in raw cow's milk:

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40-75 pg/ml

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In human blood serum normal concentration is around: 4 ng/ml
women being from non-detectable to 0.6 ng/ml

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Do you know the difference between a nanogram and a picogram? A nanogram is 10^-9. A picogram is 10^-12.So milk contains about one one-hundredth of the concentration, and this is a concern? You've got a lot of raw numbers, but no actual analysis. Nobody is claiming that milk is simply an emulsion of calcium, lactose, and fat in water.Where is the evidence that what is in milk is sufficient to be a cause for concern?

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More here:
Hormones and Growth Factors in Raw Milk

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You should have read your own source:

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Obviously you have trouble understanding me(maybe it's my broken English). The evidence is on page 1(ONE), the first page of this topic(move a page back and you are right there). Reaching them should be pretty easy and straight-forward but just in case there is some miscommunication again, here they are once more(click on link):http://www.consumerhealthjournal.com/...milk-and-cancer.htmlHormones in milk can be dangerous – Harvard GazetteEdited by Agobot, : No reason given.

Did you read your own link, Agobot?