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Rrhain
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Message 36 of 285 (491663)
12-19-2008 4:40 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Minnemooseus
12-19-2008 2:23 AM


Re: Even tighter - Current Coleman lead: 188 votes
http://senaterecount.startribune.com/ballots/


About this dataResolved challengesRemainingCurrent vote totals
 ColemanFrankenOther/no one ColemanFrankenMargin
Current recount totals2534361985,8611,209,1881,209,183Coleman by 5
Challenged by Coleman22370852,761   
Challenged by Franken231661132,614   
Ballot Challenge projection2,9813,25848801,211,9161,212,005Franken by 89

Edited by Admin, : Eliminate extra white space.


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Rrhain
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Message 41 of 285 (491746)
12-20-2008 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Granny Magda
12-20-2008 12:52 PM


Granny Magda writes:

quote:
On the bright side, it seems as though the recount process in Minnesota has been exemplary, if slow.

And notice how the state of Minnesota hasn't collapsed due to the length of the process. There is no rioting in the street, the citizens are not screaming in anguish because the election hasn't been decided yet...

...unlike eight years ago when the Republicans were predicting the end of the universe because of the need for a recount which was never carried out.


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Rrhain
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Message 43 of 285 (491903)
12-24-2008 1:46 AM


http://senaterecount.startribune.com/ballots/

Al Franken leads by 46 votes as of Tuesday, 4:40 pm.

 ColemanFrankenUnallocated
Challenged ballots awarded by board2,9553,189 
New votes from rejected absentee ballots000
Current vote count including awarded ballots1,211,8901,211,936 


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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 45 of 285 (491960)
12-24-2008 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by RAZD
12-24-2008 6:24 PM


RAZD writes:

quote:
I can't help but wonder what the final outcome of the 2000 election would have been if they had been so ... civilized? ... thorough? ... patient about the recounting there, rather than trying to stampede the results to fit a non-existent calendar.

We already know the answer to this. NORC went through every single ballot and counted them all according to the various standards available. The conclusion is that if a state-wide recount would have been carried out, no matter the standard used, Gore would have won. The only method by which Bush would win was the method Gore had proposed: A limited, only certain counties method. A full recount of all votes had Gore winning.

That said, there is a calendar with regard to the Presidential election. The Senate can function if one of its members isn't available. However, the actual election of the President happens when the Electoral College meets. The electors need to know the results of the election in order to cast their vote. If the State hasn't figured out the results of the election by then, that election gets thrown off.

I don't know the specifics, but if we assume that the Electoral College doesn't meet, we then have Congress determining who is going to be President until such time as a qualifying person shall be made present.

Before that, the Legislature of Florida could have made a decision regarding how to apportion the electors in lieu of a valid election. In order for them to do that, though, it needs to be determined that the election is spoiled and that no winner could be declared. In order for that to happen, though, an actual recount would need to take place.

And here's the thing: If the Republicans would have just left well enough alone and stopped trying to delay things through their lawsuits (remember, it was the Republicans who ran to the courts, not the Democrats) and their staged riots (recounting efforts needed to stop in many places due to rioters who were paid for and bused in by the RNC), the recount could have been completed in time. But because of the interference by the Republicans, the SCOTUS declared that there wasn't enough time to do the recount and voided all efforts to determine the actual winner.

quote:
I note that we are still before the inauguration time

That's for the President, not the Senate. Congress has its first meeting in under two weeks, January 3. This was a running joke of Franken's while he was still on Air America:

Congress goes into session officially on January 3. Thus, time for a quickie impeachment. The House can write up the charges, the trial can happen in the Senate, and just in time for the inauguration, Bush and Cheney can be kicked out of office, preventing them the satisfaction of making it to the ends of their terms. We get a new President on the 20th, and life can move on.


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Rrhain
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Message 47 of 285 (491965)
12-24-2008 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Coyote
12-24-2008 8:00 PM


Coyote responds to me:

quote:
We have enough clowns in congress; we don't need another one.

And yet, it seems that O'Reilly is going to be having a string of heart attacks soon as he is going to have to refer to "Senator Al Franken."

That said, what is the "clowning" of impeaching the traitors known as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney? What is "clowning" about holding them accountable for their actions? What is "clowning" about actually doing what the Constitution demands of Congress when it finds that the President has overstepped his authority?

Unusual? Yes. But Pelosi and Reid don't have the courage of a doormouse to do what needs to be done. If it means getting a new Congress to do in two weeks what Pelosi and Reid couldn't do in two years, then so be it.

Do you think Reagan would have done what he did with Iran and the Contras if Ford hadn't pardoned Nixon but instead let the prosecution continue? Do you think Bush would have done what he did in invading Iraq if Congress had found the courage to impeach Reagan like it should have? When the lesson you teach people over and over again is that there are no consequences, then how can you possibly demand people behave responsibly?

Congressional approval is in the single digits. The reason why is because people are angry over Congress's refusal to hold the President, or anybody else for that matter, to account. Pelosi and Reid are in their positions because the people wanted them to start getting our troops out of Iraq, stop letting the President spy on Americans, investigate the politicization of the Justice Department, find out who leaked a CIA operative whose job was the investigation of nuclear proliferation in Iran, close Guantanamo and the torture that was sanctioned there, etc.

All of that leads back to the President and Congress taking him to task for his actions. To channel Adams from 1776, "What in hell are they waiting for?"


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 49 of 285 (491967)
12-24-2008 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Coyote
12-24-2008 8:47 PM


Coyote responds to me:

quote:
Thank you for the long list of left wing talking points.

You say that as if I should be ashamed. I notice you didn't actually respond to any of the points I made...you just ran for the ad hominem. To use your own words:

Do you have anything constructive to pass on to us or is that all you've got?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 52 of 285 (491977)
12-25-2008 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Coyote
12-24-2008 9:10 PM


Coyote responds to me:

quote:
I don't visit this site for left wing talking points.

(*chuckle*)

...said the person who waded through three pages of political commentary. Really, if you didn't want to hear discussion of politics, why did you enter a thread in the Coffee House with a title of "Senator Al Franken?" Surely you knew what you were getting into. Nobody is forcing you to read this thread, are they?

quote:
And it seems a bit intrusive for you to just dump them on us as if nobody should have a contrary opinion.

(*chuckle*)

...said the person who didn't provide a contrary opinion. This thread is not just to report the numbers of the Minnesota Senate race. It started back in 2005, when there were the first inklings of Franken running for Senate. So again I have to wonder, if you didn't want to hear it, why did you wander through three pages of discussion about a liberal running for Senate?

quote:
But the left has been doing that since the '60s.

(*chuckle*)

...said the person whose post consisted of complaining about someone having a contrary opinion. If you didn't want to hear it, why did you go through all these posts? Why did you even respond? Nobody is forcing you to do so, are they?

By your logic, you want the Fairness Doctrine re-installed, yes? It is designed to allow those with unpopular opinions to have access to the public airwaves. With you clamoring for said "contrary opinions" to get respect (and isn't that supposed to be earned), then surely you would like to have it back, yes?

Hint: There are no liberals in the federal government who are trying to reinstate it. So if the liberals don't want its return, how will that affect your response, if any?

quote:
Its getting so they think their opinions are all there are, and some of them are even trying to get any contrary opinions declared as hate speech.

(*chuckle*)

...said the person who whined about not having anything "constructive" to say.

Please give us examples of this "contrary opinions declared as 'hate speech.'" Oh, I have a fairly good idea of what it is you're talking about, but I'm not going to play psychic so that you can claim you didn't mean that. You start.

Names, dates, places, full quotes in complete context, please.

Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass. Of course, you didn't come here to hear "left wing talking points," so you're going to be in a bit of a pickle: If you respond, you know you're going to get the very thing you claim you don't want.

This means if you don't respond, you can go about your life without having to see that which you don't wish to see. Is somebody forcing you to read this thread that you claim you do not wish to read? Surely this isn't the best place for you to find out the status of the Minnesota election, is it? Even if you think it is, Minnemooseus and I have been pretty good about putting the numbers posts in chart format. All you have to do is a quick scroll looking for the table and you can get the numbers. No need to even read any of the posts that have those horrible "left wing talking points" you seem to be so allergic to.

quote:
Stick to evolution and I'll do the same, eh?

No. I've got a better idea: You stick to reading threads you want to read and I'll stick to reading threads I want to read, eh?

Is somebody forcing you to read threads you don't want to?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 55 of 285 (493807)
01-10-2009 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Wounded King
01-06-2009 5:12 AM


Wounded King writes:

quote:
I just saw a report on Pharyngula that the recount ended with Franken ahead by 225 votes. Also there is an article in the NY times.

Yes, the recount is over. Now the Coleman lawsuit begins.

This is the same Coleman who, back when their situations were reversed, was admonishing Franken to simply concede defeat.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain
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Message 160 of 285 (824452)
11-29-2017 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 154 by Percy
11-28-2017 8:57 AM


Re: Franken: Resign Now
Percy writes:

quote:
I believe the women.

But what is it you believe?

Let me tell of an incident that happened to me. I was in a play, Cabaret, playing Cliff. As you might know from the show, Cliff and Sally have a kiss. So you rehearse the kiss.

And then, during one performance, that kiss came with something extra. She stuck her tongue in my mouth. That was decidedly *not* what we rehearsed.

I confronted her about it after the performance and she admitted that she thought something was off in the scene. When I told her that it's because she put her tongue in my mouth, she was mortified. She didn't realize that she had done it.

So here's the question: Did she sexually harass/assault me? The specifics are pretty close to the incident that happened with Franken. So is what happened to me the same thing?

What if I said that I felt violated? What if I said that didn't feel comfortable explaining just how much I felt violated and only now do I feel OK with it to be able to relate my story?

What if I said that it wasn't a big deal? That I understand that she was acting? She was getting into the scene and momentarily forgot herself?

Is it possible that the women accusing Franken of groping them while at meet-and-greets really did have what they say happened but that Franken isn't aware of what he did? That he reached behind the woman as if to hold her about the waist as one might do in such a situation, misplaced his hand, and doesn't realize what happened because he's not paying attention?

Now as I have often said, intent is not magic. But when we say that we believe them, exactly what is it that we're believing? A man who doesn't pay attention to what it is that he's doing and where his hands are when he's taking pictures is not exactly innocent. That might be enough to say that he is unfit to serve.

But it isn't the same as what Moore and Trump have done.

And even if we assume that Franken knew exactly what he was doing, it's still not the same as what Moore and Trump have done.

Unless you're somehow saying that pedophilia (remember, Trump admits to having barged into the Miss Teen USA dressing room specifically to look at the underage girls in a state of undress...and when Ivanka was told about it, she responded with, "Yeah...he does that") is the same as patting someone on the ass. Are the acts Franken is accused of the same as the attempted rape that Moore is? And let's not forget that Trump has been accused of rape three times, including by his first wife, Ivana and by another accuser who was only 13 at the time.

This is the problem with "zero tolerance." It refuses to allow for any difference in circumstance.

And even more sadly, it doesn't allow for anybody to change. Should Byrd have never been in Congress due to his past with the KKK? He filibustered the the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and voted against the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He voted against Thurgood Marshall...and also against Clarence Thomas because he believed Anita Hill. And he kept on screwing up (see his comments about "white niggers" in 2001)...and yet still was praised by the NAACP upon his death.

So is it possible that things might be more complicated? Simply saying, "I believe the women," doesn't actually say much.

What are you believing?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 169 of 285 (824507)
11-29-2017 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Percy
11-29-2017 9:28 AM


You haven't answered the question, Percy
Percy writes:

quote:
Until Franken admits recalling this pattern of behavior that began when he was still part of Franken and Davis he hasn't even taken the first step on the road to recovering his credibility and integrity.

Why?

You haven't answered my question, Percy:

When you say you believe the women, exactly what are you believing?

If, as you say, "integrity needs to start somewhere," why not right here and now: When you say you believe the women, exactly what are you believing?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 170 of 285 (824508)
11-29-2017 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by Thugpreacha
11-29-2017 4:28 PM


Re: Et tu, Garrison Keillor
Phat writes:

quote:
Were men really pigs all along?

YES!

Let's not pretend this is such a shock.

We can only hope that this moment doesn't go the way of the last moment. There was a spate of concern regarding sexual assault on college campuses....and it all vanished due to one bad actor. And now we have an administration that is actively working to undo any protections victims have regarding sexual assault on campus.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 171 of 285 (824509)
11-29-2017 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by Percy
11-29-2017 4:20 PM


You still haven't answered the question, Percy
Percy writes:

quote:
I still say I believe the woman

What do you mean by that? What are you believing?

quote:
but this is a strange one, and I await the details.

Oh, I see...so if it's possible for Keillor to have misplaced his hand for a photo shoot, why is it so hard to consider that Franken might have done the same thing?

Note, this doesn't deny what happened. I still "believe the woman," just like you do.

Or do I? I don't know what you mean when you say you "believe the woman."

What are you believing?

It happened to me, Percy. What do you believe about the scenario I related to you? Was I sexually assaulted?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 172 of 285 (824511)
11-29-2017 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Percy
11-29-2017 12:34 PM


Re: Guilty by statistics
Percy writes:

quote:
To not devalue truth Franken must own this. Whatever words he chooses he must in effect say, "I did this, a person in my position of trust cannot do this, and I must therefore resign my position."

And then follows it up with:

quote:
But concerning accidental contact, is there any guy out there who has never accidentally elbowed a boob? Do I need to resign my position here at EvC?

So when are you resigning your position, Percy? Or have you forgotten the mass purge you made in the wake of the rampant homophobia that made its way through this forum a few years back? How many of our best posters did we lose not because they were driven out by the bigots but rather because or your specific inability to get rid of the ones causing the problem? Where you tarred everybody with the same brush, kicking out the very people who were pointing out your rank and utter stupidity in your handling of the situation? Have you forgotten the chain bannings? Someone pointed out that your actions were inappropriate, and they were banned...so then someone else pointed out that it was inappropriate to ban the person who was pointing out the problem...and they were banned...and then someone pointed out that this banning of people for questioning the banning of people was inappropriate...and they were banned.

I was one of those people, Percy. Or have you forgotten? You did it to me.

You still haven't apologized for it, Percy. To not devalue truth, you need to own this. Whatever words you choose, you must in effect say, "I did this, a person in my position of trust cannot do this, and I must therefore resign my position."

Right?

RIGHT?

So when are you going to resign? When are you going to live up to your own standards:

Message 163

Integrity, honesty, principle, virtue, truth, decency, goodness, virtue [sic], generosity, kindness, character.

This is the problem with zero tolerance. Eventually, you get caught up in your own hype.


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 182 of 285 (824659)
12-01-2017 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Percy
11-30-2017 2:10 PM


Fifth time, Percy
Percy writes:

quote:
I again call upon Al Franken to resign.

When will you for your actions? Remember, Percy, you permanently banned your victims. In fact, one of the perpetrators admitted to setting up a sock puppet for his bigotry and you let him stay simply because he apologized.

Funny how your righteousness seems to vanish when it hits close to home.

You keep saying you believe the women. So do I, but what are you believing?

It happened to me, Percy. What do you believe about the scenario I related to you? Was I sexually assaulted?

I notice you're doing everything you can to avoid that question:

Was I sexually assaulted?

How many times must you be asked before you deign responding?

Was I sexually assaulted?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

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Rrhain
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Message 184 of 285 (824979)
12-05-2017 9:14 PM


Sixth time, Percy
How many times do you need to be asked before you swallow your pride and answer?

It happened to me, Percy. Do you believe me?

Was I sexually assaulted?


Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

    
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