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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
irony? what the fuck are you talking about.
really. do you think before you hit that submit reply button, or do you just kind paste in some random crap and go with it?
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
i'm sure there's a huge number of unregistered women, but as a student researcher with no visa (and probably no likelihood of getting one since my own government is bound to put me away for being dangerous everntually and china would never let me in.) i can't build an interview database. but there's enough misunderstanding with the one-child policy to go around as it is.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
The issue with China forcing abortions to lessen the amount of children being born is always an issue that is concerning to pretty much all parties involved. Both Pro-Choice and Pro-Life is unified on this one aspect. Both parties seem to be in agreement that it is a moral injustice Well, this is what Pat Robertson had to say about it:
quote: Not much moral outrage there.
How can you in one instance say that a fetus is not a human being at all with no rights available to them, and yet, hypocritically cry foul ball because more female non-humans are being killed at a higher rate than male non-humans? That makes no sense whatsoever. It is exactly like saying that you have a right under the First Amendment to say any irrational thing that comes out of your mouth, but criticizing you when you do so. The silly thing is that you think that you are going to "force[ ] proponents of abortion to face the humanity of their decision...," as if nobody who has ever had to make the choice or thought about the issue has done so. This displays your arrogance, the apparent belief that anyone who disagrees with you simply hasn't been "forced" to look at it correctly and once they do, they will necessarily agree with you. It doesn't work that way, Binky. I've spent a great deal of time thinking of abortion and its consequences, and come to my conclusion. For you to presume that I just haven't given it enough thought and you can bring me to my senses with one question on a forum board is rather insulting. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
For you to presume that I just haven't given it enough thought and you can bring me to my senses with one question on a forum board is rather insulting. but if i pass a law in south carolina to emotionally abuse you and force you to view an ultrasound of your BABY, i can. cause that's ethical.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
but if i pass a law in south carolina to emotionally abuse you and force you to view an ultrasound of your BABY, i can. cause that's ethical. Ok, rather confused here. I can't begin to imagine why you felt it necessary to direct that comment to me, but I'll address it nonetheless. That's bullshit, because such a law assumes that the pregnant woman hasn't fully considered the issue of abortion and presumes that the state must tell her what information she must consider before making her decision. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
sarcasm mostly.
i know <3
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3598 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
brennakimi: in my research, there are no such policies. Interesting that this topic opened as new reports of forced abortions emerge in Guanxi Provice: NPR Story families were previously only permitted one child (see my explanation in the above post). how they decided to limit their births is up to them. The government denies supporting 'forced' abortions and sterilisations, true. Coerced abortions and sterilisations by the millions, though, are built into the system. The government does not even bother to deny this. China observers know the Party's official line is often at odds with reality. Its official disapproval of 'forced' abortions under its rule is no exception. Local officials don't go forcing abortions on women as late as eight or nine months pregnant in the absence of incentive to do so. They belong to the same Party as, and were appointed to their posts by, the same national leaders who say they disapprove. National Party officials set and enforce quotas--strictly. They aren't very curious about how their provincial officials meet those quotas any more than they are curious about how individual couples do. Figuring out how to cope is a responsibility of those further down the ladder. For all the official 'disapproval' of forced abortions, journalists who expose the practice get much harsher treatment than the Party officials they expose. Chen Guangchenn however, any higher parity children are not killed, simply taxed. The exorbitant amount of money families are obliged to pay is not a 'tax.' It is a fine. The family has committed a crime. With that the family's problems only begin. Children beyond one are denied official recognition in China. They can get no government ID card in a country where nearly all services are socialized. For all but the wealthy that means no education, no housing, no banking, no employment. Until recently it meant no access to health care; today they may be admitted to a hospital upon payment of huge fees. These individuals are completely dependent on their families and communities for support. The 'one-child-per-family rule' is a classic example of a linear solution imposed on a complex system. The approach has given rise to a host of unintended results that continue to play out. One of them has been noted: the disproportionate number of males to females in the population. A number of social plagues follow from this aspect of it alone.
there have been local abuses, but there is no national policy resembling this draconian suggestion. 'Draconian' is, sadly, a fair description of the whole business. The China Digital Times (UC-Berkeley) provides an excellent omnibus roundup of news about China. I highly recommend the free e-mail subscription service to those who are interested in following events. A few links of interest in this discussion: Main Site _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : url. Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair Archer All species are transitional.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Do you think we can set up some sort of evangelical camp to convert them to being gay? Is that even necessary? Just look at what happens to men in prison. It should be a natural biological course. Who knows, maybe they will all evolve, and start reproducing out of the anus or something.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Having gay sex does not necessarily make you gay.
Who knows, maybe they will all evolve, and start reproducing out of the anus or something.
I don't know if youre trying to be funny, sarcastic, or serious, I'm going to preemptive strike. This isn't how evolution work. For example, if you flap your arms to try to fly and your children and children's children all do the same thing, you guys are still not going to be able to fly. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Having gay sex does not necessarily make you gay. {male perspective}...you could make love to a thousand women, but suck one cock,,,,fag for life!
This isn't how evolution work. Sure it is. Ant eaters grew long snouts so they could reacht the food.There are wasp's? in africa that have penis's longer than their body, so they could reach the females opening, out of necessity. As a matter of fact, they can't even get to their mate without the help of some ants. It only stands to reason (adds a few million years) that eventually men would reproduce, or become asexual. Shit, if a spider could insert a probe into a cock roachs brain and steer it like a limo, anything is possible.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
Sure it is. Ant eaters grew long snouts so they could reacht the food.
This alone stands as evidence that you know jack about how evolution works. shame, really. You've nearly been here three years.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
IT was a joke, but time and time again, I watch discovery, and national geaographic explorer, and they mention how these species gorws big teeth so they can eat, and that species grows wings so they can fly, and the like.
Unless these channls are wrong, they paint a picture of things evolving out of a need sometimes. What I wonder is, how the heck does a living being know how to do that? Are discovery and national geographic explorer, the televangilists of the scientific community?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
riverrat writes:
Remember that they belong to a group of greedy americans called the media. They're going to do everything they can to get people to watch, and that includes giving out half-truths, presenting strawman, and adding "spices" to the information for better taste. If learning the right stuff is as easy as turning on the tv, I say all college professors should be burned alive for making the rest of us pay with our arms and legs to attend their classes and go through many sleepless nights trying to study and do homework problems. Are discovery and national geographic explorer... Added by edit. I might as well add to my rant. If gay people indeed act like the way the media portrays gay people, do real straight people act like those idiots on Desperate Housewives? Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2513 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
if that's the picture they are painting, they are quite wrong.
we don't evolve things for a "need" per se. It's not like I think, hey, I need a more effective digestive system so I can digest cellulose, and then go out and do it. evolution is not directed in that sense.
I watch discovery, and national geaographic explorer, and they mention how these species gorws big teeth so they can eat, and that species grows wings so they can fly, and the like. Something tells me you're wrong on what they're telling, but hey, the next time you see a program that says this, give me the name of it and the station so I can check it out. And we're getting quite off topic
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Taz Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
kuresu writes:
This is the coffee house, meaning I can rant away all I want. And we're getting quite off topic
FREE TIBET!!!
{ABE by Adminnemooseus: I have director status, so I can insert into this message: Tazmanian Devil is a weenie! Now, back to the real topic, which is abortion policy in China.} Edited by Adminnemooseus, : See above. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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