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Author Topic:   The Dangers of Secularism
Alexander
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Message 11 of 190 (208375)
05-15-2005 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by robinrohan
05-15-2005 1:50 PM


What I think jar was getting at is that you are implying causality when the best you can reasonably assume is correlation. To take one of your examples, Naziism, although it had some christian rhetoric associated with it, wasn't a specifically religious movement. It was certainly evil, but why do you assume that godlessness is the root of that evil?
You can associate Secularlism with Naziism, but it isn't a motivating factor in the establishment of the party or its actions.
Have you examined the other historical factors that created these conflicts/movements?

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 42 of 190 (208549)
05-16-2005 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by macaroniandcheese
05-16-2005 4:03 AM


Re: Freethinkers
Is everyone on this board a Marxist?? I never thought I'd be defending Faith, but she was basically on the right track in message #37 (but not so much #38).

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 45 of 190 (208557)
05-16-2005 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by RAZD
05-16-2005 7:34 AM


Re: Freethinkers
I wasn't being totally serious. But one should realize that Marx was dreaming and the path to that false dream will unerringly lead to poverty and political depredation.
As for religion, one would expect that a communist state would have to repress of even oppress religion, but Cuba is a good counterexample. Can anyone elaborate on the state of the Catholic church in Cuba, I don't know too much about how it functions there.

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 55 of 190 (208692)
05-16-2005 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by macaroniandcheese
05-16-2005 1:49 PM


Re: Freethinkers
What you said about the jews is interesting. Have any links of interest on the subject?
(BTW, yours was a very reasonable post. I was expecting a savaging.)

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 72 of 190 (208836)
05-16-2005 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by RAZD
05-16-2005 9:02 PM


Re: Freethinkers
I agree, but you've got it backwards:
Communism is the ultimate form of "I know what's good for you" ,e.g. the planner will tell you what to make and what to consume, as opposed to the semi-invisible hand of a mixed economy that is motivated by aggregate individual decisions.
Anyway, I commend your attitude, and this ain't on topic.

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 93 of 190 (208981)
05-17-2005 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by RAZD
05-16-2005 10:07 PM


Re: Re Communism / Marxism
RAZD writes:
or you have to be deceived by hard line conservative reactionaries that are endangered by any encroachment on their capitalist greed power systems.
Holy shit. After moving out of Greenwich village, I was hoping to not hear the words "capitalist greed power systems", or any permutation thereof, on a daily basis.

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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Alexander
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Message 104 of 190 (209122)
05-17-2005 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by RAZD
05-17-2005 5:46 PM


Re: Re Communism / Marxism
Haha ok then.

'Most temperate in the pleasures of the body, his passion was for glory only, and in that he was insatiable.'

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