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Author Topic:   Anthropogenic Climate Change - What's in Dispute?
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Message 16 of 16 (392879)
04-02-2007 7:37 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
04-01-2007 12:27 PM

From what I've read, it's getting warmer now than it's been at any other time in human history, above and beyond the historic, cyclical temperature variation. In other words it looks like we hit the normal, cyclical high point - and then it kept on going up.
I've seen so many graphs thrown around that I don't know what to believe. The graphs for 2005-2006 temperatures really vary depending on who is printing the graph.
I have three things I want to point out.
One, petro threw out some figures that you disagreed with based on "from what I've read." As far as I can tell, 58 degrees is warmer than anything I've seen for modern temperatures, which are more around 55.
Two, a book I read recently suggested that at least some of the global temperature rise is due to the close of weather stations after the fall of the iron curtain. That book presented a graph that said that the number of reporting stations had dropped in half since 1990.
Three, the OP asked about where the debate was. I have to agree with that. Despite the questions thrown around about the benefits or dangers of global warming, despite the questions thrown around about the extent of the influence of CO2 on global temperatures, despite all the arguments about how much ice is melting, are there those that really want to live in a world where you can't drink from the rivers, where the forests are disappearing, and where pollution levels are part of the weather forecast?
I know I don't. I don't really care whether CO2 is contributing to global warming. I'd like to see us make every effort to quit changing the world with emissions. There's hardly a river in America you can drink out of. The brown clouds over cities can be seen from tens of miles away. It's horrifying, and I'm pretty stunned that everyone isn't horrified. I wonder if even most right-wingers don't hate the scum they see floating on their creeks and rivers, but they don't say anything because they're caught in the middle of a political argument that forces them to be anti those evil environmentalists.

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