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Author Topic:   YEC Geologic Column - Created with apparent age?
deerbreh
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Message 61 of 82 (218727)
06-22-2005 4:27 PM


I have always thought "apparent age" is the only way YEC works.
I am surprised that more YECs don't embrace "creation with apparent age" They are invoking all kinds of miracles anyway, what is one more? Noah's ark is still a problem of course - because even if you leave out the dinosaurs you still can't get all of the present day species in. You got insects, PLANTS (many would not survive a global flood), prey animals to feed all of the predators - and please don't tell me all of the animals were herbivores until after the flood - the Bible itself contradicts that. Man himself was eating meat right from the beginning - Abel sacrificed a sheep - why was he raising them if he didn't eat one now and then?

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deerbreh
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Message 63 of 82 (218750)
06-22-2005 5:48 PM
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Re: I have always thought "apparent age" is the only way YEC works.
Thermal underwear?
I assume you are joking but if not - very doubtful that Abel would have been spinning wool. Wild sheep were hair sheep - they had only a thin wool undercoat. First use of wool most certainly occured a long time after domestication. The woolen coat of modern sheep is the product of thousands of years of selective breeding. Of course the skins may have been used much earlier but why would man go to the trouble of raising sheep for the skins and throw away the meat?

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deerbreh
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Message 65 of 82 (218759)
06-22-2005 6:15 PM
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06-22-2005 5:51 PM


Herbivores and Carnivores
I think the herbivore/carnivore question is the biggest flaw in the YEC case. If one argues herbivory before the flood it makes no philosophical sense because the "Fall" presumabebly introduced death and bloodshed - we know the earth itself was cursed because of Adam's sin. And animals were killed to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve. So the "logical" time for carnivores to arise was after the Fall, not after the Flood (Just to be clear, I think the idea that the carnivores were once herbivores is nonsense - biologically it doesn't make any sense at all. But then I think Genesisand much of the OT is an epic myth - so there is no hope for me at all.)

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deerbreh
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Message 69 of 82 (218966)
06-23-2005 12:15 PM
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06-22-2005 6:27 PM


Re: Apparent Age
"Given special relativity (E=mCC) theory coupled with inflationary theory of universal expansion, both atomic and diurnal (solar) clocks may have slowed down from different perspectives within or without our earth/universe." (edited to add quotes)
You can't be serious. Do you have any idea of the effect of changing solar time? That means the speed of the earth's rotation and/or revolution is changing. Granted, it is possible there may be minute changes in the earth's rotation and revolution but not enough to make any difference in our perception of geological time (which is what is required to go from old earth to young earth). The ONLY way YEC makes any sense geologically OR biologically is creation with apparent age.
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deerbreh
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Message 74 of 82 (219463)
06-24-2005 11:53 PM
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06-24-2005 11:30 AM


Re: Our Perception of Geological Time
"I personally allow apparent age in a YEC scheme."
Ok, but that is one cynical God you have created there. Create the earth in 6 days and plant all kinds of fossils to make a young earth look old just to confuse the silly human scientists. Create humans capable of rational thought, say that the creation is "good" and then write a book that contradicts man's rational conclusions about the earth.
"The fact of Fish fossils on top of tall mountains screams global flood to many geologists..."
No, it doesn't. Only to YEC "geologists" of which there aren't "many", if any. It "screams" plate tectonics, is what it does.

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