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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
I'm not saying that there's no way to define "Christian", just that Faith's definition is, well, wrong. And to demonstrate that I'm not just fashionably disagreeing with Faith: Jar's definition is wrong, too. One can ascribe a high status to Jesus and/or his teachings without considering him to be the Saviour/Christ and still be considered a Christian, though the wording might not quite fit.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Trying to make Thomas Jefferson a christian (see Jefferson Bible)? He didn't think so.
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
If he didn't consider himself a Christian, then he most certainly wasn't one.
It doesn't matter, though. The religious right will continue to portray Jefferson et al as Christians regardless of reality or the definition used.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
omni writes: ...and as I've remarked to iano before, my policy is to take people at their word about their religious beliefs/affiliation. But if a person is made a Christian by an act of God (which I suggest is the case), then what a person professes makes little difference to anything. "I'm tall, dark and handsome". Does that mean I am tall dark and handsome? (ps: remind me to send the Acme Get Rich Quik salesrep around to your house will ya? You sound like a good prospect
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Razd writes: Trying to make Thomas Jefferson a christian A bit late I would have thought...
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3983 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
iano writes: (ps: remind me to send the Acme Get Rich Quik salesrep around to your house will ya? You sound like a good prospect When he tells me he's a salesman, I'll believe it. Then I'll let the dogs out.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6101 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Sure you can.That's the fun of it.
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: Gandhi was a Hindu-Christian thus One can even believe there was no such person a Jesus and still be considered a Christian (so long as there is one other person to consider them such). Actually .. in that basis one can think whatever one likes about anything a be considered a Christian. Is there anyone there who thinks they aren't a Christian? Well I've got news for you..
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Funkaloyd Inactive Member |
iano writes: But if a person is made a Christian by an act of God (which I suggest is the case), then what a person professes makes little difference to anything. Unless you have a decent way to test whether a person has been affected by such an act of God (do you?), then we may as well take people's word for it.
iano writes: Gandhi was a Hindu-Christian thusOne can even believe there was no such person a Jesus and still be considered a Christian Did Gandhi not believe in the existence Jesus?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Is there anyone there who thinks they aren't a Christian? Well I've got news for you.. uh oh ... time to cue the "good news" band and warm up the choir .... by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
dorfman writes: well...in one sense, definitions are what an individual makes them out to be. I can say that my car is a horse and call it as such. (It even has horsepower! ) but I always like to consult Noah....Webster, that is!
It seems no one can figure out that what Christian is, it's as defineable as what American is, or Koranist, or - or - or....... Websters writes: def”i”ni”tion \'de-f-"ni-shn\ n 1 : an act of determining or settling 2 : a statement of the meaning of a word or word group; also : the action or process of defining 3 : the action or the power of making definite and clear : clarity, distinctness funkaloyd writes: And in the fine tradition of debate, I consider your definition to be wrong. If you don't allow the Spirit to change you, you are not a Christian....the very action of "ascribing high status" to anything or anyone shows that you yourself are still choosing your deities rather than being chosen by them.(Him) For all practical purposes, however, and for the sake of argument, there IS no way to prove or define anything except by common agreement. (common union...communion! Gosh what a concept! I'm not saying that there's no way to define "Christian", just that Faith's definition is, well, wrong. And to demonstrate that I'm not just fashionably disagreeing with Faith: Jar's definition is wrong, too. One can ascribe a high status to Jesus and/or his teachings without considering him to be the Saviour/Christ and still be considered a Christian, though the wording might not quite fit. This message has been edited by Phat, 11-29-2005 06:39 PM
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6101 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: I can think of myself as Hottentot never ever having been to Hottentotia.
quote: What is that news you have? Thank you!
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6101 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: I like your definition of that definition.
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6101 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
quote: Didn't you just love the tenor of this statement? (Tenor, the melodic line usually forming the cantus firmus in medieval music) Sweet, eh?
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iano Member (Idle past 1961 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
funk writes: Unless you have a decent way to test whether a person has been affected by such an act of God (do you?), then we may as well take people's word for it. I don't see how that follows. I don't know so I'll presume. That is a recipe for all kinds of nonsense. You get people saying things like "the survey says Christian are aborting their babies at higher rates than the non-Christian". This may say something about people who call themselves Christians or consider themselves to be Christians...but says nothing about actual Christian. But that is forgotten in the headlines.
Gandhi was a Hindu-Christian thus One can even believe there was no such person a Jesus and still be considered a Christian Did Gandhi not believe in the existence Jesus? Sorry, the thus referred to the statment prior not to the statement post. My fault. As I understand it Gandhi believed Jesus existed - as a man - not God
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