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Omnivorous
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Message 162 of 549 (577891)
08-30-2010 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Buzsaw
08-30-2010 10:16 PM


Re: ICR Science
Hi, Buz.
It looks like your list is just a bunch of technical papers never published anywhere but the ICR site.
Is that right?

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Message 165 of 549 (577894)
08-30-2010 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Buzsaw
08-30-2010 10:38 PM


If ICR can't make it in Texas...
Buz writes:
ICR's version of science should not be subject to what the government of Texas considers to be suitable for accreditation.
They can't even get accredited in Texas?! I didn't know the liberal conspiracy had caught on down there.
Are you opposed to all accreditation of schools?

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Message 167 of 549 (577896)
08-30-2010 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Buzsaw
08-30-2010 10:38 PM


Re: Creation Science
Buz writes:
Coyote, my point was intended to refer to things designed in the here and now.
And you'll be the judge of what things are designed.
Watch out, Buz, that circular argument is right behind you
P.S. Snowflakes are made fresh each snowfall.

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Message 168 of 549 (577897)
08-30-2010 10:54 PM
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08-30-2010 10:50 PM


Re: ICR Science
Buz writes:
Please cite evidence if you think I'm mistaken.
No, I'm sure they have papers.

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Message 174 of 549 (577904)
08-30-2010 11:05 PM
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08-30-2010 10:56 PM


Re: If ICR can't make it in Texas...
Buz writes:
The peer reviews have the same attitude towards what is considered science. None other need apply.
Just working from the partial list you posted, do you suppose there are some experiments in those papers that I could try to replicate?
I haven't looked yet, but I think, "Probably not." How about you?

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-Gogol Bordello

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Message 191 of 549 (578029)
08-31-2010 2:55 PM
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08-31-2010 8:13 AM


Re: If ICR can't make it in Texas...
archy writes:
Omni writes:
I haven't looked yet, but I think, "Probably not." How about you?
you can't even replicate original changes done by your so-called process of evolution so why are you asking to replicate creationists' work? practice what you preach.
I'll take that as a no.
Experiments don't try to replicate reality, they try to elucidate data and inferences that tell us something about reality. You can't replicate a Seven Day Creation, either, but you consider it real. If creationists claim to do science, they should perform experiments that can be done by others with the same results.
The replicability of experimental results is crucial to science. Say a couple of fellows claim to have discovered a cold fusion process. That's pretty exciting--until everyone who follows their methodologies precisely fails to obtain the same results.
So I do, indeed, follow what I preach: I don't accept the results of any experiment until it has been replicated by other experimenters. The experimenters' religion is irrelevant.
My point, of course, is that "science" without replicable results isn't "science" at all. As far as I can tell, the ICR doesn't perform any experiments at all, let alone replicable ones.

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Message 285 of 549 (578857)
09-02-2010 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Dawn Bertot
09-02-2010 8:20 PM


Flew was used like ICR wants to use Texas
Dawn Bertot writes:
Even Anthony Flew finally saw this simple point. he could no longer deny the obvious. Im guessing he was a bit more educated than yourself, possibly.
See, even intellectual giants can see such a simple point about design
Ah, you're talking about that book ghost written by Roy Abraham Varghese.
I saw Flew on television after that poor man was persuaded to allow his name to be affixed to that nonsense. He could barely construct an intelligible sentence.
Do you consider him "an intellectual giant" because of his life- long championing of atheism or his association with creationist hoaxters in his senescence?
That whole episode is a canker on the face of creationism.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Message 295 of 549 (578953)
09-03-2010 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by dwise1
09-03-2010 1:12 AM


Re: Gamers are Your Superiors
I started gaming (back when I had the time) with id Software's Catacomb, then Castle Wolfenstein, then Wolfenstein 3D. I think I still have my Wolfenstein 3D installatino disks somewhere.
I remember overclocking 486s, plugging 486 overdrive chips into 386 motherboards, trying to get the best 1MB video cards
I haven't kept up, but one of my proudest achievements was playing through Doom at nightmare level using only the keyboard and no hacks.

Have you ever been to an American wedding? Where's the vodka? Where's the marinated herring?!
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