2/3rds of Americans want creationism taught.

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I have actually never met anyone who fervantly feels a relational connection with pink unicorns, magic fairies or flying monsters of any chef! I have read about such people in psychological writings, but there are not too many around.

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I have met many people who believe that there is truth in Astrology (let's not forget that Nancy Reagan was a believer), or that aliens have abducted people, or that ghosts exist like they do in the movies....and there have been others who believe that demons possess people, or that some supernatural spirit fills them when they pray hard enough.I don't see much difference.

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I thought you referred to Michael Ruse. Yea, the whole claim of evolution is as true as 2 plus 2 equals 4 shows how far removed the minds of evolutionists are from real science. It's a shame, but they are not educating people, but indoctrinating them.

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So, can you please cite a couple of Evolutionary Biology or Population Genetics scholarly papers and explain how they do not meet the standards for being good science?You do claim that every single Evolutionary Biologists and Geneticist is incompetent or a liar, correct?

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Percy, it's not a potshot at all.

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Good, then you won't have any trouble answering the questions I ask in Message #199 of this thread.

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Claiming that ToE is as true as 2 plus 2 equals 4 in an educational setting is such a gross overstatement and shows such a bizarre lack of understanding of knowledge, that indeed it shows that Dr Ruse in arguing for evolution has not clue as to what the nature of science is.

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Michael Ruse is both a Philosopher of Science and Historian of Science. It is, in fact, his life's work to understand the nature of science.That's why he has been on the stand as an expert witness to explain to the courts what science actually is.If you read something of his that seemed overly simplistic or wrong regarding the nature of science, it is quite likely that you, randman, are1) taking what he said out of context so as to change the meaning (quite possible if you read his words from a creationist source, which I have found at the ICR website which refers to something Ruse might have said but doesn't actually quote him here)2) deliberately misrepresenting his intent, or3) you just don't understand what he meant.Perhaps, if you are going to beat Ruse up for something he said you would be so kind as to post the actual quote, in context, for all of us to refer to.(in several searches for the original quote, I have only been able to come up with references to Ruse talking specifically about the evolution of mathematical knowledge.)

Ah, I found the transcript of the debate.Ruse never says that "Evolution is just as certain as 2 + 2 = 4".Not only does he not say it, he gets interrupted as he is saying "2 + 2 = 4" and never gets to finish his point before Lou Dobbs moves the discussion elsewhere.It seemed like Ruse was begining to make a point that Morris was using the term "faith" in a misleading way, but that's only a guess from the context.He never says anything about "certainty" in the way you say he did.That's what you get when you trust the Creationist websites, randman.Misquotes and lies.

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Imo, evos brought it upon themselves with all of the overstatements and hoaxes passed off as facts over the decades. Because of these things, I don't think evolution as a science deserves the respect or trust of the American people.

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So, why not cite a couple of Evolutionary Biology of Population Genetics scholarly jounal aricles and explain to us how they are not scientific, or are very inaccurate, or wrong, or full of lies and hoaxes?

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Teaching the controversy is not teaching creationism but teaching what critics say about evolution

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Oh, you mean people like Evolutionary Biologists?Because scientists within a field are the most knowlegeable, best qualified, and most vocal and effective critics of any theory releveant to their expertise.Science is ruthless, randman. Very competitive. Careers are made by overturning dominant paradigms (just ask Gould). Someone who cannot handle having his or her ideas constantly challenged, picked apart, criticized, tested, and frequently rejected will not be a good scientist.Your conspiracy theories and conjecture that the hundreds of thousands of scientists over the last 100 years or so have all been incompetent morons is simply raving silliness.Crashfrog's wife couln't be doing the work she is doing if all Biologists have been fundamentally wrong about everything for the last 150 years.No Biologist could, because all science progresses by building upon past research.Do you believe that Population Genetics is completely invalid as a field of study?

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The government and schools are for and by the people, not the other way around. That's something evos would do well to remember.

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Here are some other things that quite a few Americans believe in:Astrology
Psychic Power
Atlantis
That space Aliens have landed on Earth
Ghosts
ESP
Levitation
The Bermuda Triangle
Big Foot/the Loch Ness Monster
DowsingRandman, should we teach these in public school, too?

In this message in this thread, I asked if other topics that many Americans believe in, such as Astrology, dowsing, and ESP, should be taught in public schools.What do you think, randman?If many Americans believe it, shouldn't we be teaching it in schools, like you said?