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Author Topic:   Question about this so called World Wide Flood.
Chara
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Message 17 of 63 (24130)
11-24-2002 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chara
11-24-2002 10:22 PM


Now another question ... supposing (cause I know that this is a hotly debated topic and I don't even know where I stand on it) the hypothesis of an existing canopy of water over the earth collapsed during the flood, would that have necessarily been salt water? and would that have an effect on the salinity (sp?) of the water? Remember: emphasis on supposing

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John
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Message 18 of 63 (24132)
11-24-2002 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by funkmasterfreaky
11-24-2002 10:05 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Assuming that the flood occured, and as the bible said it did, infers that God himself was in charge of all the events therein, and if all went as we are to understand from the story, I'm sure He made some 'provisions' for his favoured crew. If he made the universe he can surely make a fig tree, or keep a couple acres 'untouched'. who knows
that would be something to debate if and when the ark is found i guess

Would you accept this appeal to magic explaination in any other arena of your life?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 19 of 63 (24139)
11-25-2002 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Chara
11-24-2002 10:22 PM


It's okay Chara i think it would be harder for them to shovel the shit off this site than it would be take care of the animals on the ark. I agree. The biblical account of the ark was for simple people by simple people they had yet to digress into the trash we are now with the wasted use of head space. They didn't know alot of scientific things so why describe the whole thing in great scientific detail. They would never have understood.

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 20 of 63 (24144)
11-25-2002 12:26 AM
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11-24-2002 11:02 PM


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[This message has been edited by funkmasterfreaky, 11-25-2002]

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 21 of 63 (24145)
11-25-2002 12:26 AM
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11-24-2002 11:02 PM


btw post #15 i think it was, was my loving wife, mock and die!
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 22 of 63 (24146)
11-25-2002 12:29 AM
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11-25-2002 12:26 AM


John we went over this once are you still scared of the wicked witch of the west.
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Peter
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Message 23 of 63 (24184)
11-25-2002 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by John
06-08-2002 8:01 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by LudvanB:
It concerns life AFTER the alledged flood. 6 months of ocean water covering the entire earth would have killed all land vegetation and made it virtually impossible for anything to start growing right away.
Of course this very reasonable conclusion is contradicted by the Bible in its account of the flood. There was at least one fig tree growing even BEFORE the water completely subsided as Noah's little birdie went out and plucked a branch.
As for TrueCreation: I do wish you'd inform me of the Effects of the Flood, especially explaining how exactly plants could survive several months of submersion. Maybe I'm thinking wrong here but I have grass that won't survive three days under a sheet of plywood. Try sticking a fig tree in water for a few months, then get back to me. I doubt even mature seeds would remain viable.

I don't see how the existence of a fig tree branch contradicts
the idea that all land flora would have been killed.
There is no suggestion that the twig came from a live tree,
is there?
I wouldn't expect all the trees to have been dissolved

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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 24 of 63 (24202)
11-25-2002 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Chara
11-24-2002 10:28 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Chara:
Now another question ... supposing (cause I know that this is a hotly debated topic and I don't even know where I stand on it) the hypothesis of an existing canopy of water over the earth collapsed during the flood, would that have necessarily been salt water? and would that have an effect on the salinity (sp?) of the water? Remember: emphasis on supposing
I don't see why a "vapor canopy" wouldn't be fresh, but then I have never seen any plausible explanation as to how one could exist at all. If you had a solid, dome-shaped "firmament," yeah, you might be able to keep some water on top of it, but our moon visits and other space probes would have encountered more problems than they did. And if you did have a huge source of fresh water, you would have killed all the corals and a majority of other sea life, and you still have to make that water go somewhere when the Flood subsides.

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John
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Message 25 of 63 (24203)
11-25-2002 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Peter
11-25-2002 7:27 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Peter:
I don't see how the existence of a fig tree branch contradicts
the idea that all land flora would have been killed.
There is no suggestion that the twig came from a live tree,
is there?
I wouldn't expect all the trees to have been dissolved

Actually, though I said branch, upon rechecking the passage says 'leaf' These would be expected to have rotted.
Even so the Jewish Publication Society translation reads "an olive-leaf freshly plucked" I looked at the Hebrew and the verb used-- taw-raf'-- means something like rip, or rend. In other words, there are good indications that it is fresh.
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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 26 of 63 (24204)
11-25-2002 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Peter
11-25-2002 7:27 AM


quote:
There is no suggestion that the twig came from a live tree,
is there?
If you take the translation to mean an olive branch, with leaves so that it is distinguishable from driftwood, I would think a live tree is called for. A year under seawater would make leaves look pretty funky.

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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
Joined: 11-12-2002


Message 27 of 63 (24205)
11-25-2002 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by funkmasterfreaky
11-25-2002 12:10 AM


quote:
The biblical account of the ark was for simple people by simple people
Indeed. That's why it has all the marks of fable.

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John
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Message 28 of 63 (24209)
11-25-2002 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by funkmasterfreaky
11-25-2002 12:26 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
btw post #15 i think it was, was my loving wife, mock and die!

Share the name, share the consequences.
And why exactly should I not say to your wife (who is stealthily posting under your name) percisely what I would have said to you?
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John
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Message 29 of 63 (24210)
11-25-2002 9:55 AM
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11-25-2002 12:29 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
John we went over this once are you still scared of the wicked witch of the west.

I'm sorry, but you are making less sense than usual. How does this comment follow from ... well.... anything?
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 30 of 63 (24232)
11-25-2002 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by John
11-25-2002 9:55 AM


Had to do with the appeal to magic comment. It was supposed to be funny. We all take ourselves too seriously on here sometimes.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 31 of 63 (24233)
11-25-2002 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Coragyps
11-25-2002 9:39 AM


Why on earth would you give an account of something to people that they could never understand. That doesn't make it less accurate. Less simply put, i thought it funny yesterday thinking about all these men mocking noah, a flood hahah you have to be kidding me you're so stupid and blah blah blah. Now today discussing the existance of the flood, men who don't love God say a flood hahaha that's the stupidest thing i ever heard you're an idiot how could you ever believe that. Ironic i think
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