New Eyes on Stars

Arizona Telescope Sees Deep into the Cosmos : NPR

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The best pair of eyes on Earth are now wide open. The Large Binocular Telescope sits in a 17-story building atop an Arizona mountain.

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The 580-ton telescope is twice as big as the next-largest telescope on Earth, and it has 10 times the resolution of the Hubble Space Telescope. The LBT cannot see farther than Hubble, but the images it sends back are much sharper and of a much wider field than the space telescope.

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Each mirror has a diameter of nearly 28 feet. Together they produce the light-gathering power equivalent to a 39-foot circular aperture.

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Binocular vision gives it the power. The resolution is due to the separation of the two lenses.Enjoy.

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This is a downright lie. We all know that accepting Jesus Christ as its personal savior is what gives it the power. Only God the Father can give it the power. Again, this is a downright lie. The high resolution is the result of God's direct interaction with the world, more specifically with the telescope. God has given this telescope the ability to produce very high resolution images of the cosmos so that we may see the wonders of His creation and worship Him accordingly. Any idiot engineer or scientist who claims credit for the LBT's design will surely burn in hell.

No no no, you're getting it all wrong! God gave humans the power to build such a telescope, but only a human who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior and takes the Bible literally can interpret the evidence that the telescope provides. The telescope itself is not an atheistic tool of science. Only the scientists who deny the "Truth" described in the Bible are wrong. If they would only describe the evidence that the telescope provides in a way that proclaims the Christian God as the author, then there would be no problem.Why bother describing the world as it is when we have a perfect description of the world as it should be in the Bible?

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"You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London"Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea

How much money have we spent looking into the darkness.Couldn't the money be better spent?

Yes, of course it could - you could buy a 1/10th share in a B2 bomber for the price of this scope...

While the absence of electromagnetic radiation can, under the right circumstances, provide information, it is much more interesting to focus on objects and regions where electromagnetic radiation, which includes light, is present. In other words, astronomical investigations are typically focused on the light, not the dark. How much is knowledge worth?--Percy

All purchasing decisions incur opportunity cost. If you buy A you cant buy B.You made the decision to purchase the computer over which you're communicating for example. You could have donated that money to charitable causes. It could have fed the starving or protected endangered species. Decide for yourself whether your money was well spent.There are much worse things to spend $120 million on than this scope. Objections to spending money on space science come across as Luddite-ism to me. Personally I'm very excited about this and other upcoming astronomy projects, especially the various planet-hunting projects.

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Actually Granny I was given the computer in exchange for writing a program for a construction company. They put on 4 staff who are using the application to generate work. Four families are now fed. That's my contribution.

Your right Percy, there probably isn't any darkness out there at all.What do we get from all this, computer enhanced pics. We can make them pics without the binoculars. They may as well turn it to the sun and concentrate the light onto a pot of water. At least then they can make a cup of coffee.

Well, I guess the price of a cup of a coffee is all that astronomical and cosmological knowledge is worth to you. I suppose it could be worse, you could have proposed using the telescope to burn books instead of boiling water.--Percy

Well, now, let’s see. How many astrophysicists does it take to build a large binocular telescope?Why, none, of course. An astrophysicist doesn’t have the necessary skills.You need brick masons, glazers, plumbers, electricians, laborers, maybe a foreman or two, some accountants, construction managers, project managers, that little guy that comes around about noon to sell lunch out of the back of his kitchen truck.Gee, it takes quite a number of people to build one of these things. A crew of about 500 people on this 10-year project I should think. That’s nearly half a carreer.And that doesn’t count the grocer or the bag boy or the shopping-cart wrangler or the shoe store owner or the coffee shop owner up the street where the workers buy their morning java on the way in to the construction site, or the paper salesman or the paper clip salesman for the construction office or the potato chip salesman or the meat salesman who stocks the restaurant where the construction workers take their families for Sunday brunch.In Economics the income earned is not the totality of a benefit. Spending that income becomes income for others who spend that income thus creating income for still others. It’s called the multiplier effect. A small $120 million project like, oh, I don’t know, say a Large Binocular Telescope in Arizona let’s say, with the multiplier effect, would yield somewhere around $750 million in economic benefit. That buys a lot of food, clothes and education don’t you think?And the only thing the rest of us poor saps get out of this deal (besides the tax revenues from income taxes, sales taxes, property taxes which pay for roads, cops, schools and what-have-you) the only thing the rest of us poor saps get out of this deal is ...well ...knowledge ...of the universe. No.

I'm really quite an interested fan of astronomical discoveries. I just thought I'd give the thread a bump along and stir up a few emotions while I was at it.Now that I think about it. How much more can telescopes tell us. I've heard (but I don't know how true it is) that astronomers are now looking into a haze at the end of the universe. Beyond which they cannot see.
Has the usefulness of emr receivers run its course? If so, what next?

OK OK OK I agree with everything you said here AZPaul3 except...I can't believe that construction workers take their families to brunch on a Sunday.Edited by LucyTheApe, : tagEdited by LucyTheApe, : tag againEdited by LucyTheApe, : text=ugly