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Author Topic:   'Intelligent design': What do scientists fear?
crashfrog
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Message 21 of 38 (302608)
04-09-2006 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Jman
04-08-2006 4:41 AM


I believe in intelligent design but unlike the Christian I hold that God's design is creation followed by evolution.
That's not really intelligent design. That's theism and evolution, which are seperate positions that don't contradict each other.

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crashfrog
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Message 25 of 38 (302682)
04-09-2006 5:39 PM
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04-09-2006 3:38 PM


Why not? God uses His intelligence to design a world. Let's see... first we'll create the heavens and the Earth then let them evolve to the time when they're ready for humans.
Sure. The first part is theism; the second is evolution.
It's not intelligent design, which is the specific conjecture that the mechanisms of natural selection and random mutation are insufficient to explain the diversity and function of life on Earth.
I've heard ID described as "the universe is too complex for everything to have come about by chance so there must be an Intelligent Design behind it...
I'm not a proponent of ID myself, but I believe that proponents of the intelligent design movement would tell you that's an incorrent formulation of the position. Intelligent design isn't a movement in cosmology; its a movement that makes assertions about biological systems. I can only speak for what ID proponents have argued to me, of course.
But I think it's a mistake to conflate the seperate, compatible positions of theism and evolution into something called "intelligent design", because it puts a harmless face on what is a very dangerous and troubling educational movement. The philosophy you promote is entirely consistent with science and with the aims of a high school science classroom. True "intelligent design" subverts science to ideology, and I think you do yourself, your views, and the goals of science defenders a disservice by referring to your views as "intelligent design."
It's your choice, of course. But why you would want to associate your entirely reasonable position with the charlatans of the ID movement is beyond me, I must admit.
The arguements against Evolution have always been described by Fundies as something like: They say it all came about by chance... with no God.
It's better to say that the mechanisms of natural selection and random mutation are held by evolutionists (such as myself) to be sufficient to explain the diversity and history of life of Earth, without the need of intervention by God or anything else. Apparently evolution foes believe that the postulate that God was not necessary is the same as saying God was not present.

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