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Chiroptera
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Message 23 of 302 (251268)
10-12-2005 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Jazzns
10-12-2005 5:36 PM


Re: Invention of a Christian Consensus
Where have I heard this argument before....
Oh yeah! When CanadianSteve argues that Osama bin Laden speaks for all Muslims!

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Chiroptera
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Message 52 of 302 (253458)
10-20-2005 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Silent H
10-20-2005 3:28 PM


Re: Invention of a Christian Consensus
Hi, holmes.
quote:
It seems that if one is to claim something other than stereotyping, comments related to that specific ministry would be the only appropriate ones.
How do we determine whether certain characterizations really are appropriate to that ministry or whether those characterizations are more stereotyping?
Would it be a stereotype for me to say that most Southern Baptists feel that homosexuality is abhorrent? Where do we draw the line between unjustified stereotypes and justified generalizations?

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 54 of 302 (253475)
10-20-2005 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Jazzns
10-20-2005 4:27 PM


Re: Invention of a Christian Consensus
Nice reply. Thanks.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 57 of 302 (253491)
10-20-2005 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by bkelly
10-20-2005 6:20 PM


Re: Invention of a Christian Consensus
Hello, bkelly.
quote:
Human nature is that you will be lumped in with all Christians who are in turn lumped in with Pat Robertson.
Oh dear! this is not true at all!
It may or may not be a natural part of the human condition to stereotype, but the exact stereotypes will depend on the actual culture as well as the personal experiences of the individual.
Now it was true that at one time I stereotyped Christianity as the Pat Robertson type, but that was because at that time my only experience was with the Pat Robertson type of Christians.
However, that is a result of my own experiences. I do not believe that, in general, it is "natural" to lump all Christians with Pat Robertson. Seeing how Pope John Paul II got far more air time on TV (at least the TV I was watching) it is just as "natural" to lump all Christians as Catholic, which are very different. Or, seeing how I once dated a woman who had close relatives who were Quakers (and left wing religious writers often write in the left wing periodicals I read) I could just as easily lump Christians in with the Quakers.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 95 of 302 (253730)
10-21-2005 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Silent H
10-21-2005 3:08 PM


Re: Invention of a Christian Consensus
quote:
Indeed Jazzns did speak up....
And other Christians do speak up, for god's sakes. Hell, read the friggin' left wing press -- there are plenty of articles by Christian leaders denouncing Roberts and his ilk. Read the letters to the editor of the local paper -- I have a hard time believer that there aren't letters from local Christians disavowing Roberts.
It's not the fault of the general Christian that the usual mainstream media fails to report what most Christians actually feel and what they are saying.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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