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Phat
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Message 155 of 302 (254133)
10-23-2005 6:51 AM
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10-23-2005 6:36 AM


Re: the amazing crashfrog of EVC county
Holmes, if you are able to chat, meet me in the EvC chatroom ASAP..thanks...Phat.

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Phat
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Message 197 of 302 (254705)
10-25-2005 12:30 PM
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10-24-2005 9:19 PM


Re: Context used to "stereotype"
Schraff writes:
I'm in the one oasis of liberal politics and educated thought in about a 200 mile radius.
Drink deep from that well, Schraff! If you drink from the right source, you will never thirst again!

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Phat
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Message 202 of 302 (254880)
10-26-2005 10:01 AM
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10-26-2005 8:58 AM


Gods Wrath or Gods rationale?
God has given each and every one of us a mind and a conscience. In regards to judgement, I am certain that it is more likely that our nation will be judged based upon how we are dealing with the rest of the world.
Personally, I believe that Jesus will some day return, and I believe that many events and catastrophes will precede such a Second Coming.
On a practical note, I continue to live my life the best way that I know how. My conscience, influenced by the Holy Spirit, teaches me to reject people like Pat Robertson...because they are wolves in shepherds clothing.
My conscience also tells me to stay away from politics in relation to my faith--I am hardly a Republican nor a far right supporter. Perhaps my sin in this regard is in not supporting the liberal alternatives as much as I should.
As for Buzsaw and his interpretations of prophetic judgement, I think that the human animal judges itself..(whatever will be will be) and that many of the policies, practices, and peculuarities of our species will cause reactions that will endanger us. I am not a Deist, so I DO think that God cares and is aware of our situation.
He is not judging us at this point in time. He is warning us, calling to us, drawing us closer to Him despite ourselves.

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Phat
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Message 233 of 302 (255666)
10-30-2005 4:57 PM
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10-30-2005 4:04 PM


Re: Bashing Robertson
Here is my two cents worth on the topic:
God foreknows everything that is ever gonna happen. He desires that people know the Truth...about Him and His love for us. His scriptures say that He who began(begins) a good work in us will be faithful to complete it. Thus, He initiates relationship with us and He completes it. Our job is to trust the inner unction that He gives us.
The Bible says that a wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign but that none will be given.
To spread fear and chaos theory among a populace in order to get them to come to their senses does not make sense.
I have never taken Robertson seriously. As for you, Buzsaw, I will take you seriously out of respect for you as a fellow EvC member.
I am no0t as much of a theistic evolutiopnist as Jar is, but I don't believe in some things that the Biblical literalists do.
I DO believe in the supernatural. I DO believe in the Virgin Birth and Resurrection.
I DO NOT believe that the earth is 6000 years old.
So where does that leave me in your eyes?

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Phat
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Message 249 of 302 (255757)
10-31-2005 7:09 AM
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10-11-2005 7:58 AM


Not ALL Christians Think Alike!
I figured I would tack this on to your post, Crashfrog! Literalism to chew on for a moment:
In the opening statement of this thread, it was said:
Devout Christians believe the "last days" will be marked by political and geological upheaval, and Mr Robertson said recent events showed those days might have arrived.
As a devout Christian myself, I am not sure if I agree with this statement.
  • Where does it mention geological upheavel in the Bible?
    As for study of the Bible as it pertains to prophecy, one of the classic starting points is the words of Jesus Himself, in Matthew 24:
    NIV writes:
    Matt 24:3-29-- As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.
    a time of war...as it has always been..
    Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
    a Nation is an ethnic group...Serbians versus Croatians,for example..a kingdom is a political group...the United States versus Iraq, for example.
    There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.
    Note that Jesus does not mention an increase in famines and earthquakes...only that they are as they have always been!
    "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.
    all ethnic groups will hate Christians? Hmmmm..why would this be?
    At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
    can anyone think of any false prophets in todays media?
    Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
    Its not as if God is causing the chaos...it is as if the chaos is occurring anyway...
    "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand- then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.
    Much of this prophecy appears to me to be for the nation of Israel,but it can be argued different ways..
    "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
    Dispensationalists believe that much of the prophecy in the Gospels was addressed to the Jewish people....God interrupted that plan with the foreknown mission to convert the Gentile peoples through a highly educated Pharisee named Saul.
    When Saul got knocked off his high horse and became Paul the Apostle, Christianity changed its stripes a bit.
    If we look through the Epistles to find any relevant prophecies pertaining to the church, we find them in Thessalonians.
    NIV writes:
    1 Thess 5:16-22-- Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.
    Good advice, it seems. Don't be all religious...just be in communion with the Spirit within you and hold steady.....then,
    NIV writes:
    2 Thess 2:1-12-- Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
    A possible reference to the Anti-Christ
    Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
    A possible reference to the Church before the Rapture
    And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
    If this were to be taken literally, it would mean that there is an absolute Truth and there is an absolute Lie. Those who are deluded are deluded because they do not love the truth. Does anyone have any idea what this truth is that they are referring to here in Thessalonians?
    This message has been edited by Phat, 10-31-2005 05:17 AM

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