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PaulK
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Message 261 of 302 (255954)
11-01-2005 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 256 by Buzsaw
10-31-2005 11:09 PM


Re: Bashing Robertson
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...I have made it clear that I am talking about the decades since Israel became a nation and that the prophecies pertaining to the middle east, Israel et al corroborate/strengthen the argument that the increase in natural disasters over those last decades up until the present are significant prophetically.
As well as showing an increase in natural disasters you've also got to have a prophecy. And you don't.

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Message 266 of 302 (256060)
11-01-2005 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Buzsaw
11-01-2005 4:42 PM


Re: Bashing Robertson
So which of these links natural disasters o a restoration of Judah (not Israel because the tribes of Israel are still missing).
Ezekiel 37-39 doesn't.
Zechariah 14 doesn't
Your misreadings of Revelations don't
(As for destroying cities, ou can find examlpes in Old Testament times - Sodom and Gomorrah for a start ! No high tech needed !)
Daniel 12 refers to the second century BC !
And we've gone over Luke 21 before as you know. And I know why you don't talk about the disasters mentioned there - that doesn't fit your supposed timescale - not when you read it in parallel with the other versions.
So no, the only thing your post tells me is that you know that I'm right. You DON'T have a prophecy that predicts that an increase in natural disasters will follow the events of 1948.

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Message 272 of 302 (256119)
11-02-2005 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Buzsaw
11-02-2005 12:56 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
In other words your whole post was intended to evade the point.
You don't have a prophecy that links an increase in natural disasters to the events of 1948. And you know it. That is why you try to evade the point again and again
Even then you somehow manage to misrepresent Ezekiel 37. You even manage to miss the latter half of Ezekiel 37:22 (it does not just say that there will be a single nation, does it ? it says that there will be one nation INSTEAD OF TWO reuniting the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Modern Israel is at most a reestablishment of Judah - and not as a kingdom).
As for your other claims, no duration is given for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorroah (although I will note that nuclear weapons will destroy a city in rather less than an hour)
I've read Daniel carefully enough. My mind is not so closed that I have to assume that the prophecy must be correct. That it says that the events it refers to are at "the time of the end" does not mean that it has to be right on that point.
Which comes to the assertion that I am the closed minded one. That is an outright lie. I am the one that reads the Bible and carefully considers it. You reject or twist the words of the Bible on a regular basis - as you just did with Ezekiel 37.
The fact remains that I was right. You have no prophecy indicating that an increase in natural disasters will followe the events of 1948. Thus evne if there was such an increase it cannot be said to be a fulfilment of prophecy.

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Message 278 of 302 (256170)
11-02-2005 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Buzsaw
11-02-2005 9:08 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
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Read the stats on landfall major hurricanes since 1948, for example. Nearly all of them since 1900 were after 1948. I've shown where the upspike in the frequency since '48 is significant. Link this data to the prophecies and go figure.
Since there's no prophecy to link it to - as proven by your evasion - the statistics are moot.
quote:
As I said, you don't want to be bothered by the facts. I'm wasting my time, except that likely some reader guests who aren't part of the close knit comradery here who support one another, right or wrong, will read and learn. It's very obvious who's being objective here.
Yes it is obvious that you are evading the point, attempting to decieve the readers and misrepresenting the Bible. And telling malicious lies about me since I persist in telling the truth instead of kowtowing to you and your falsehoods.
quote:
I'm not missing anything
Well then you are lying about something because if you have read Ezekiel 37:18-22 you cannot honestly deny that it is about the reunification of the tribes of Isrel and Judah into a single kingdom.
quote:
Skew it all you want, but you can't read more than one nation in the land, no matter how you cut it and that's what we are observing
A unified Kingdom - of all the tribes of Israel. What we see is not a kingdom and it includes only the desendents of the people of Judah.
No matter how much you try to obscure the truth THAT is what Ezekiel 37 says.
He rest of the post is just more evasion. The heat and the shcokwave from a nuclear blast will pass in much less than an hour (the blast is the slower of the two and travels at the speed of sound). The rest of the effects will all take far longer. Those are the facts.
As for your dismissal of my other points with your usual lies it's just another sign that I've won. But then we already knew that because you have never even attempted to directly deal with my point.

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Message 280 of 302 (256182)
11-02-2005 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 279 by Asgara
11-02-2005 9:56 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
I had to track down the Webpenny's report to find the page they used.
It is simply a list of major hurricanes but it does not claim to be complete and it does not give any selection criteria.
In other words Buz relied on a website devoted to Penny stocks which happened to have published a shoddily researched report on hurricanes. Buz didn't bother to check against more reliable sources - like NOAA itself. Instead he just goes on claiming that his source must be right.

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Message 283 of 302 (256199)
11-02-2005 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 282 by Buzsaw
11-02-2005 10:30 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
There's no need for anyone else to budge.
Your supposed increase in major hurricanes is the result of shoddy research. On your part as well as the author's - you didn't bother to check the actual figures from NOAA which are available online.
You don't have any prophecy which predicted an increase in major hurricanes would follow the creation of the modern state of Israel.
Hell, you can't even explain how your supposedly careful reading of Ezekiel 37 managed to miss the fact that it was talking about a reunification of the tribes of the two ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah.
And that lot isn't enough to make you change your position even slightly ?

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Message 287 of 302 (256223)
11-02-2005 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by jar
11-02-2005 11:01 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
I think that Buz's idea of carefully reading the Bible is carefully NOT reading any bit of it that might say something that Buz doesn't like.

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PaulK
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Message 293 of 302 (256242)
11-02-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by Buzsaw
11-02-2005 11:22 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
If you look at the NASB the section starting with Ezekiel 37:15 is even subtitled "Reunion of Judah and Israel".
Here are the verses.
15 The word of the LORD came again to me saying,
16 "And you, son of man, take for yourself one stick and write on it, 'For Judah and for the sons of Israel, his companions'; then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and all the house of Israel, his companions.'
17 "Then join them for yourself one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.
18 "When the sons of your people speak to you saying, 'Will you not declare to us what you mean by these?'
19 say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will put them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."'
20 "The sticks on which you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 "Say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone, and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land;
22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king will be king for all of them; and they will no longer be two nations and no longer be divided into two kingdoms.
If you had actually read ALL these verses there is no way you could have missed the references to the lost tribes of Israel.

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PaulK
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Message 296 of 302 (256250)
11-02-2005 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Buzsaw
11-02-2005 11:48 AM


Re: Bashing Robertson
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PaulK writes:
If you had actually read ALL these verses there is no way you could have missed the references to the lost tribes of Israel.
Why not? Read carefully who's doing the regathering the scattered ones from the nations.
Who is doing the gathering does not change who is being gathered. As I said it is about the reunification of the two ancient kingdoms of Judah and Israel and that has not happened. You chose to deny this even though the verses I quoted are quite clear on the subject.

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