Pat Robertson on natural disasters

FliesOnly writes:Certainly there are things that Pat Robertson says that all Christians agree with...correct? How am I to know when he speaks a truth for all and when he speaks a truth for his particular subset? Perhaps in the examples we have been discussing it could be argued that the differences are obvious. But again, how do we know where to draw the line between understanding when he speaks a “truth” for all Christians and when he speaks on some other level?

buzsaw writes:Because they should understand that Robertson, a more Biblial fundamentalist Christian than some, especially so far as the OP of this thread was quoting lots of scripture and being very literally fundamental as to what the Bible says on the subject pertaining to the op.

Holmes writes:I watched Pat do his thing regarding natural disasters for years. While Politicians were not doing what he said (specifically Democrats) every one of them had the omen of the second coming and a slam on the current administration. That is God was judging what this nation's gov't was doing.

Holmes writes:Why do you feel he is correct in his speculations when he was predicting the end for years and it did not come, and... now that his recommendations are being put into practice by our gov't they have met with more of God's disproval than Democratic actions had... he has decided to stop using natural disaster's to discredit those in power?

Holmes writes:Even if one believed in prophecy shouldn't one be doubting his prophecies?

Holmes writes:I would also like your evaluation on why we have faced the worst disasters in our nation's history... ever... both manmade and natural, ever since a conservative took office and has instituted policies the religious right has wanted for years?

Holmes writes: Absence sure hasn't changed your methods.

Holmes writes:Just to let you know, he is now backing off of his statements regarding the second coming. If you have read his recent statements he caveats all of his claims with "well it might not mean anything" kind of stuff. That is unlike his commentary over ten years ago where he was pretty self assured.That means he is shifting AWAY from quoting that something is being fulfilled before our eyes. Doesn't that say something?

Holmes writes:You are correct that my post did not address your specific points. It was a rewrite of my original post. That you feel it was a digression, merely substantiates the fact that you were addressing something other than what I was wanting to discuss. I rewrote to try again to get us talking about what I wanted to talk about originally................. I was actually moving away from just the article in the OP to get at his general comments related to such things. Both Prophecy and judgement.

jar writes: Pat Robertson's position on Natural Disasters is a clear example of Blasphemy.

jar writes:Attributing Natural Disasters to GOD is blasphemous.

jar writes:Natural disasters are just that. Natural. They have nothing to do with GOD. They are NOT on a rise. They presage NOTHING.

jar writes:There is no indication that there has been an increase in natural disasters. Secondly, there is no evidence of any Biblical prophecies being fulfilled. Ever.

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buzsaw writes:To say there's no evidence at all shows clearly your ignorance of the subect you're debating here.

jar writes:Start a thread on it and let's see if this time you can come up with even ONE prophecy that's ever been fulfilled. It might be interesting.

buzsaw writes:Are you even yet ready to admit that natural disasters have been on the increase in recent decades since the rebirth of the nation of Israel and the reocupation of Jews to the city of Jerusalem?

jar writes:No, of course not. That is simply one of those nonsense statements that is the hallmark of the Fundamentalist and Evangelical. Not only is there no evidence that that is true, the evidence from ice cores, as just one example, seems to show that the last 10,000 years have been a period of remarkable consistency with nowhere near the violent natural disaster that is the norm.

jar writes:There is one difference you fail to mention. I happen to believe in Jesus and his message, unlike the Fundies and Evagelicals that actually are trying to crucify both the truth and other individuals.

buzsaw writes:Then why do you deny so much of what he said, like the miracles which he performed, et al? Another one of your strawmen.

jar writes:Please point out where I said that or admit that you are only misquoting and misrepresenting your opponents position yet again.

buzsaw writes:Now jar, this is a blatant strawman. Please reread my statement which you purport to have responded to. I clearly stated that this is about the last few decades since the rebirth of Israel - not 10,000 years.

jar writes:What a truly stupid statement. Are you seriously implying that we should only look at the period since the establishment of Isreal and ignore all that came before? No wonder you can find prophecy in the Bible. You select only the facts that fit your preconceived notions.

jar writes:Even in your simplistic imaginary Universe, your assertions don't hold up. So far you have shown no evidence that natural disasters are on the rise in either number or magnitude. Sure costs are up, more people live in exposed areas.