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Man raised back to life in Jesus' name

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Message 32 of 300 (272940)
12-26-2005 5:49 PM

Reply to: Message 15 by randman
12-26-2005 2:57 PM

Re: prove it

randman

I readily admitted when I placed this in Coffee House that I wasn't trying to "prove" it was a miracle. I believe the story since I have seen miracles, and you do not.

What do the miracles you make the claim to have witnessed entail exactly? Also how did you go about critically evaluating these miracles?

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But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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Message 155 of 300 (276625)
01-07-2006 3:36 AM

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12-26-2005 7:50 PM

Re: prove it how?

Arachnophilia

you can't prove a miracle, you know it. miracles are by definition outside the realm of naturalism, and thus cannot be shown by any amount of evidence. it is therefor up to the person claiming it is not a miracle to provide evidence to the contrary -- if a natural explanation can be shown, it is NOT a miracle.

I wish I had caught this one earlier but I just have to ask. If a miracle occurs but there is never evidence for it then what evidence swayed you to think a miracle had occured?

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Message 165 of 300 (276846)
01-07-2006 9:56 PM

Reply to: Message 163 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-07-2006 9:23 PM

Re: Can anyone define a miracle for me? Anyone?

Mr Ex-Nihilo

Perhaps the soul is a form of electromagnetism which does not exhibit any particle-like qualities yet possesses wave-like characteristics

These wave like properties are also detectable. Are you aware of any studies that have detected such?

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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Message 260 of 300 (277357)
01-08-2006 11:17 PM

Reply to: Message 203 by Mr. Ex Nihilo
01-08-2006 12:25 AM

Re: Ghost limbs

Mr. Ex Nihilo

But just because it exists outside of the known universe and does not follow the laws that we are familiar with does not make it unreal.It's just beyond our current ability to explain.

How can you say something exists outside the known universe and state that it does not follow the laws that we are familiar with? How can you know this is the case? How do you know it exists outside our universe in the first place? What does it mean for something to exist outside our universe?

This is pretty much the definition of unreal actually.

Main Entry: un·re·al
Pronunciation: -'rE(-&)l, -'ri(-&)l
Function: adjective
: lacking in reality, substance, or genuineness : ARTIFICIAL, ILLUSORY; also : INCREDIBLE, FANTASTIC

But I realize now that these people were not in science; they didn’t understand it. They didn’t understand technology; they didn’t understand their time.

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Message 262 of 300 (277369)
01-08-2006 11:57 PM

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01-08-2006 11:29 PM

Re: Ghost limbs

Mr.ExNihilo

If it's real then it's real

This is redundant

Even in the case where something normally exists outside the the laws we are familiar with -- if it is real then it is real.

We cannot know it exists outside of the laws we are familiar with now can we?

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Message 265 of 300 (277374)
01-09-2006 12:12 AM

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01-09-2006 12:08 AM

Re: Ghost limbs

Mr. Ex Nihilo

The obvious question that could be asked to challenge or define the boundaries between physics and metaphysics is: what came before the Big Bang?

That is a erroneous question sir.

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Message 267 of 300 (277381)
01-09-2006 12:20 AM

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01-09-2006 12:08 AM

Re: Ghost limbs

Damn double post

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Message 268 of 300 (277384)
01-09-2006 12:29 AM

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01-09-2006 12:13 AM

Re: Ghost limbs

Mr. Ex Nihilo

Because spacetime started with the big bang. There was no "before" as this is a term that deals with time.

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