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Author Topic:   Man raised back to life in Jesus' name
Buzsaw
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Message 43 of 300 (273057)
12-26-2005 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by randman
12-26-2005 7:37 PM


Re: prove it
randman writes:

But that doesn't mean we all get a miracle when we want one, or we would all be healthy and rich. We do though receive something better than a miracle though.

Hi Randman. Your is true (AbE: that we don't always get a miracle, but also, as you have stated it's also true that some times we do.}. I was once instantly healed after the elders of the church I was attending anointed me with oil and prayed after I asked them to do so in a Sunday evening service. I was in the Air Force, stationed at Griffis AFB, Rome, NY back in the fifties. I was to begin a long hitch hike trip to Wyoming to see my folks the next AM. I had had a very persistent cough for over a month and felt the need of a healing before being exposed to the elements so long. In fact, I was hacking away even in the service with this cough. After the prayer and anointing which was done before the preaching, I returned to my seat and never coughed once the rest of the evening. I also never coughed all the way to Wyo, though often I stood out in the elememts between rides, sometimes into the cool night. I have never since had a problem with long cough spells as I had had prior to this. The churches I have been involved with were not pentacostal types. Rarely in the churches I have attended do they advocate this anointing, et al, so I had to specifically request it when it has been done.

I have received anointing and prayer since on several occasions with satisfactory results, but none since which were instantaneous.

I have received myself and heard tell by reliable sources, many miracles. I never try to convince anyone that they should believe them. These are personal things which we can know are miraculous and too unusual to be natural, but to try to prove it to someone else is futle. It's something you have to exeperience, just as the presence of the Holy Spirit is something that must be personally experienced.

I have initiated threads in the past here on the Exodus Video research of the chariot wheels photographed in the Gulf of Aqaba and the corroborating stuff in the region pertaining to the Biblical account of the Exodus. The secularists here nearly all debunked it, inspite of the video researched evidence by a marine biologist who was also quite experienced in archeological research and marine photograpy, so if they reject that which they could view, why should we expect them to accept miracles they can't see.

Imo, every fulfilled Biblical prophecy which can be verified is a miracle, but alas, few, even among the clergy care enough to investigate, preach on or to even read and study them.

This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-26-2005 10:42 PM


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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 300 (273060)
12-26-2005 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Madfish
12-26-2005 10:28 PM


Before You Blame God............
Madfish writes:

Fillings? God spends his time with fillings while children starve and people die from war and disease?

You don't get if you don't ask, or if you ask in unbelief, et al. If you obey god, assuming the responsibilities of Christianity and ask in faith believing, you may receive. Are you personally praying for and doing something to aleviate the starving children of the world and the oppessed, et al? Then too, have you ever considered why some nations and cultures have so much of this starvation and suffering? Could it be that their ideologies have something to do with the poverty and suffering they are experiencing?


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Buzsaw
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Message 71 of 300 (274299)
12-30-2005 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Madfish
12-26-2005 11:23 PM


Re: Before You Blame God............

Madfish writes:

I prefer looking for real solutions to these problems.
doing something to aleviate the starving children of the world and the oppessed,

Madfish, did you read all of my post?

I said, "Are you personally praying for".....then I said...... and doing something to aleviate the starving children of the world and the oppressed, et al?

"....real solutions to these problems....."
I pray, yes. I believe that if I pray for the oppressed and starving, God will bless me and others, inspiring us so as to want to and be able to send stuff and money to aleviate the starving children of the world and the oppressed, et al. This we do on a regular basis.

So Madfish, if you're still looking for solutions, try it. It's working to help some. If we get enough doing it lots more will be helped. :cool:

Then we have folks in these impoverished areas who go in and help the oppressed and the starving help themselves by learning to pray for themselves and begin doing the things that bring the good life to them also. :cool:

Ideology is a factor in solutions. Look what the ideology of the founders of the US of A produced. Then look at the oppressed and the starving areas of the world and what their ideologies have produced. Ideology is a factor to consider.


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Buzsaw
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Message 72 of 300 (274301)
12-30-2005 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Percy
12-30-2005 1:59 PM


Health
Percy writes:

If believing or prayer made a difference then fundamentalist Christians would be some of the healthiest and longest-lived people on earth, but they're not.

I have to agree. Most health problems are due to lifestyle, lack of exercise and diet. I see very obese folks up getting prayed for at healing meetings on TV and think how a quick fix from God is not going to make any lasting difference if they keep doing what they did to get themselves sick in the first place. Jesus once said, after healing a person, "go and sin no more," suggesting that their lifestyle was makeing them sick. Though I worship on Sabbath (Saturday), I'm not a Seventh Day Adventist, but to my knowledge they do very little faith healing, but are the healthiest block of citizens in America, because they have healthy lifestyles and eat right, for the most part.


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