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Topic: Dutch Man Builds Replica Of Noah's Ark
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 1 of 18 (398872)
05-03-2007 12:19 AM
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News – NBC Bay Area Apparently a 1/5th scale model. Short story, plus quite a few photos. Moose
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Nighttrain
Member (Idle past 4015 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: 06-08-2004
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Damn, what a tub. Wonder where Noah got the glass from? No sign of the methane vents, poo pipes, large critter restraints, water supply system, frozen bacteria, herbarium, dehydrated food supplies--------
Looks like another Christian scam.
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Archer Opteryx
Member (Idle past 3619 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: 08-16-2006
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Can't blame the Yanks for once. This nut grew on an Old World tree.  _____ Edited by Archer Opterix, : visual aid.
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Vacate
Member (Idle past 4622 days) Posts: 565 Joined: 10-01-2006
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Proof
This is a great first step. I would be very pleased to see when he begins to put in 1/5 of the worlds "kinds" onto the boat. Not only will this proove me wrong that they wont fit, but I will also have the pleasure of seeing first hand the definition of "kind". As I say, this is a great first step. Currently he has only proven he can make a boat, but I am sure he must intend to take this further.
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spasms
Junior Member (Idle past 6193 days) Posts: 13 Joined: 04-28-2007
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Message 5 of 18 (399139)
05-04-2007 7:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by Nighttrain
05-03-2007 1:27 AM
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I reckon Ken Ham should get his flock to raise the necessary donations so his new "museum" can buy it as an exhibit! Will be the star attraction. He can even throw some dinosaur models in there with the people...
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nator
Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: 12-09-2001
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Message 6 of 18 (399190)
05-04-2007 11:49 AM
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I wonder what will happen when he tries to sail it?
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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1305 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: 09-20-2005
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Message 7 of 18 (399213)
05-04-2007 1:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by nator
05-04-2007 11:49 AM
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I wonder what will happen when he tries to sail it?
The wicked will Perish.
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Message 8 of 18 (399215)
05-04-2007 1:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Vacate
05-04-2007 3:32 AM
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Re: Proof
I would be very pleased to see when he begins to put in 1/5 of the worlds "kinds" onto the boat. Small quibble: scale is linear, volume is cubic, so volume would be 1/125. But yeah, this was my first thought too. Stuffed animals don't cut it - they don't need food or slop cleaning. Enjoy.
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 9 of 18 (399296)
05-04-2007 8:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by RAZD
05-04-2007 1:28 PM
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The scaling of the model
Small quibble: scale is linear, volume is cubic, so volume would be 1/125. From the source cite in message 1:
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...the length of two-thirds of a football field ... The ark described in the Bible was five times larger than the replica.
I'm not sure if the 1/5th is in length or volume. The 2/3s (US, I presume) football field would be about 180-200 feet, or about 60 meters. What's that in cubits, and what were the Biblical specs? I also wouldn't mind seeing the detailed Biblical schematic designs. In all, a rather light "In The News" topic. I hesitated in posting it, but it did seem to have at least some merit as a topic. Moose
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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Re: The scaling of the model
or about 60 meters. What's that in cubits, I believe a cubit (one standard egyptian fingertip to elbow) is about 19" or ~1/2 meter (close enough for who it's for) so this would be ~120 cubits long. The KJV has
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6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
So that is definitely NOT 1/5 scale but closer to 120/300 = 0.4 = 2/5ths and the volume would be 8/125 = ~1/15th. Wrong both ways? Or is this creationist math? Enjoy.
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sidelined
Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: 08-30-2003
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Re: The scaling of the model
Minnemooseus
I'm not sure if the 1/5th is in length or volume. The 2/3s (US, I presume) football field would be about 180-200 feet, or about 60 meters. What's that in cubits, and what were the Biblical specs? I also wouldn't mind seeing the detailed Biblical schematic designs. I took the time to query wikipedia and came up with this info on the cubit.
The different Jewish cubits ( ama) are generally borrowed either from Babylonians or Greeks or Romans. In ancient Israel during the First Temple period, the cubit was 428.1 mm (= 26/27 Roman cubit). During the Second Temple period, a cubit of about 444.5 mm (= Roman cubit) was in general use, but in the sacred areas of the temple a special cubit of 437.6 mm seems to have been used instead (= 63/64 Roman cubit).[1] So we have a range of 428-444 mm. Then the distance of 60 meters corresponds to a cubit measure of 135-140 cubits. The Biblical entry has the length of the ark at 300 cubits by 50 cubits width and 30 cubits height. I will work hard on finding the engineering drawings but you know how jealous some of these guys are of their work eh?
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Minnemooseus
Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: 11-11-2001 Member Rating: 10.0
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Message 12 of 18 (399316)
05-04-2007 10:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
05-04-2007 9:42 PM
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Re: The scaling of the model
Well, the news story said "two-thirds of a football field. Not a very precise figure, but I took it to be somewhere in the vicinity of 60 meters. The story also threw out the "The ark described in the Bible was five times larger" phrase, but I wouldn't hold them to that being real precise either. I certainly wouldn't sweat what the actual scale is. What would have truly been impressive, is if he had built it full scale. Sidelined came up with the 400+ meter figure; I haven't checked his math. Moose
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Nighttrain
Member (Idle past 4015 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: 06-08-2004
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Message 13 of 18 (399357)
05-05-2007 4:40 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by RAZD
05-04-2007 9:42 PM
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Re: The scaling of the model
I believe a cubit (one standard egyptian fingertip to elbow) is about 19" or ~1/2 meter (close enough for who it's for) so this would be ~120 cubits long.
How tall is a standard Egyptian? :-p
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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what's with the barge it's on? can't it float on it's own?
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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: 03-14-2004
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The ark's builder is a devout Christian and hopes his creation leads people to study the Bible. He said he plans to sail it to several European towns. Let's take out the stuffed animals and put in some real ones.
what's with the barge it's on? can't it float on it's own? Probably not built to the standards for their shipping regulatory bodies. Among other problems.
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