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RAZD
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Message 123 of 129 (405140)
06-11-2007 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Admin
06-11-2007 1:17 PM


Re: Just Seen on TV
I'm not having much luck encouraging people to avoid inflammatory characterizations, which includes characterizing something as a lie or a person as a liar. To show something or someone incorrect only requires providing the evidence. To show something a lie or someone a liar requires information that is usually unavailable. Here at EvC Forum I encourage people to assume someone sincerely believes what they're saying unless there is clear evidence to the contrary.

They can sincerely believe and still be aware that evidence contradicts their belief. I believe it is also possible to show intent to deceive in the works of people like Ken Ham and Don Batten.

But point taken, I've ammended my last post, though you probably still won't like it ;)


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Message 124 of 129 (405178)
06-11-2007 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by RAZD
06-11-2007 2:54 PM


Re: Just Seen on TV
I visited the Creation museum a while back on a cycling tour of the state. My Brother In Law is a very devout Christian and insisted on stopping in to check it out.

It was actualy quite fascining - really. I was very curious as to what was inside. Yes many of the displays were tacky and made you laugh but overall the staff was quite cordial and the 'conversion' pressure was pretty low which was a big surprise. During the tour my brother in law made it known to all that I was one of those 'evolutionists'. I was expecting people to give me an in-your-face attitude accompanied by a major gang bang style bible thumping. Outside of one zealous visitor who tried to warn me of my impending descent to hell if I did not repent I really had no trouble.

From listening to people talk about their beliefs I learned these people are set in their ways and nothing that is said or presented is going to change their view. They were talking about the 'fact' of 7-day creation as if talking about the existence of the sun in the sky. Resistence is futile - you will be assimilated.

Also..this is the museum in Cinci, OH. I am not sure if this is the same museum as discussed here.

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Message 125 of 129 (406215)
06-17-2007 11:01 PM


Bump for WARTORIOUS
Welcome to the fray, WARTORIOUS

Museum of creationism
I would be very interested in learning about creationism, do they really believe the world was made 5000 years ago?

Indeed some do. Others 6000 years ago and some others as much as 10,000 years ago.

I would love to go and have a look around the museum just for the entertainment factor. Its a little worrying that they say there extremely unorthodox theories are face as it breads ignorance. In my experience the people who attack evolution and related modern scientific theories don't have a good understanding of them.

There are some links at the start of this thread to some virtual tours.

Enjoy.


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Message 126 of 129 (418165)
08-26-2007 4:19 PM


Answers in Genesis Corrupts Kentucky’s Government
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/08/answers_in_gene.html

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The tax-funded Northern Kentucky Convention & Visitors Bureau is promoting the anti-museum as a “‘walk through history”” that “counters evolutionary natural history museums that turn countless minds against Christ and Scripture”.

Link from "Panda's Thumb" to newspaper story:
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20070826/NEWS0103/708260422/

More discussion at "Panda's Thumb".

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Message 127 of 129 (418771)
08-30-2007 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Straggler
06-10-2007 8:44 AM


Re: Just Seen on TV
Interesting to see how often Ham's tourist attraction attacks reason. 'Don't think, just believe.'

Straggler:

I have just seen a feature on this museum on a BBC Sunday morning religious programme. I am pleased to report that it was broadly ridiculed by the panel of theists as just plain silly.

In the first detective story by G K Chesterton, Father Brown has a conversation with a dangerous thief who is posing as a cleric. When the man is arrested he turns to Father Brown and asks 'But how did you figure out who I was?'

'You attacked reason,' says Father Brown. 'That's very bad theology.'

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Minnemooseus
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Message 128 of 129 (524331)
09-15-2009 10:52 PM


Another tour of Ken's Creation Museum
Pretty thorough with lots of photographs. In 6 parts, with part 1 starting at http://www.rationalitynow.com/blog.../creation-museum-part-1

Moose


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Message 129 of 129 (524342)
09-16-2009 12:59 AM
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09-15-2009 10:52 PM


Re: Another tour of Ken's Creation Museum
Minnemooseus writes:

Pretty thorough with lots of photographs. In 6 parts, with part 1 starting at http://www.rationalitynow.com/blog.../creation-museum-part-1

Just discovered through a Panda's Thumb post and went through the tour right before checking the posts here.

I agree it is quite thorough. Good photos and observation.

Note: Subsequent additions to the tour are in small type at the end of each part. May be a little hard to find if expecting some giant flashing arrow.

Edited by anglagard, : Add note.


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