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Topic: The Gospel of Judas
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Re: Why then and not now?
It is possible the CDs I'm getting around to sending you may offer an answer to your questions, but I'm going to have to listen back to them myself before sending them.
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DBlevins
Member (Idle past 3796 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: 02-04-2003
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Message 17 of 25 (302072)
04-07-2006 3:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by Faith
04-07-2006 11:59 AM
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apparant contradiction
Off-topic I know...but
Satan is certainly God's servant, required to do only what God wills. This does not let Judas off the hook any more than anybody else who does the will of Satan rather than God. If satan is gods servant and only does god's will, then anyone who does satan's will is doing god's will as it is the will of god. And if the person doing satan's will is helping god accomplish god's will, then how can it be bad? which, I believe is the underlying aspect of the Judas claim. Judas is helping jesus accomplish the goals of god by 'submitting' to satan. Judas is presenting himself as the ultimate scapegoat. This message has been edited by DBlevins, 04-07-2006 03:35 PM
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 18 of 25 (302081)
04-07-2006 3:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by DBlevins
04-07-2006 3:35 PM
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Re: apparant contradiction
I think the Judas claim is slightly more than that. It's that Judas was doing GOD's will through Jesus.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3949 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Message 19 of 25 (302091)
04-07-2006 3:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by jar
04-07-2006 3:41 PM
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Re: apparant contradiction
anyone who thinks jesus could have been offered for our sins without what judas did is lying to himself. judas did as he was required.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 20 of 25 (302130)
04-07-2006 4:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 17 by DBlevins
04-07-2006 3:35 PM
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Re: apparant contradiction
Anybody whose will is bad is at odds with God and deserving of punishment even if God permits his action. Throughout the Bible it is shown that God is behind all actions, such as the actions of the armies of Israel's enemies against Israel -- yet it is always promised that they will be punished in their turn for their eagerness to destroy Israel. Turning Jesus into the authorities to be whipped and beaten and crucified is a bad will, and Satan knew Jesus was the Son of God (from the temptation in the desert) so it was a bad will against God Himself. Judas had no idea Jesus would rise from the dead. Satan didn't either -- or he would never have had him crucified.
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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: 09-20-2005
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Message 21 of 25 (302134)
04-07-2006 5:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Faith
04-07-2006 4:59 PM
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Re: apparant contradiction
faith writes: Judas had no idea Jesus would rise from the dead Didn't Jesus himself tell the apostles that he would Rise from the dead?
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 22 of 25 (302168)
04-07-2006 5:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Heathen
04-07-2006 5:02 PM
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'After I am risen again'....
Jesus talks about drinking with them in Heaven, but in Matthew 26 he seems to talking about an earthly resurrection:
Mat 26:32 writes: But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee Mark 14:28 says a similar thing.
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Heathen
Member (Idle past 1304 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: 09-20-2005
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Message 23 of 25 (302198)
04-07-2006 6:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
04-07-2006 5:51 PM
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Re: 'After I am risen again'....
I'm way too rusty on bible quotes, but seem to remeber him mentioning something about it at the same time he said that one among them would betray him. of, course.. I could be wrong. This message has been edited by Creavolution, 04-07-2006 06:36 PM
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 24 of 25 (302251)
04-07-2006 10:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by Heathen
04-07-2006 5:02 PM
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Re: apparant contradiction
He gave them many hints but they didn't understand them. They only understood them after the fact. ABE: More explicitly than that, He told them that he would die but they simply didn't believe him. It took them by surprise. This message has been edited by Faith, 04-07-2006 10:51 PM
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Modulous
Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: 05-01-2005
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Message 25 of 25 (302302)
04-08-2006 7:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Heathen
04-07-2006 6:35 PM
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Re: 'After I am risen again'....
Matthew 26 and Mark 14 are both the Last Supper where Jesus tells them of the imminent betrayal.
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