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Omnivorous
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Message 130 of 148 (311056)
05-11-2006 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by lfen
05-11-2006 2:11 PM


Re: Faith's ordering
I think this often is self deception though. They are distorting the evidence to support what they are emotionally dependent on. Like a spouse being cheated on coming up with explanations that eliminate unfaithfulness on the part of their partner because they feel they couldn't handle emotionally the knowledge that their spouse was unfaithful.
It's not what is usually meant as lying in the sense that they know A is really the case but assert not-A. It's more they believe B and A contradicts B so they seize on anything to invalidate A.
This is what I think of as existential bad faith--the willed ignorance of unacceptable knowledge. Similarly, we witness the stubborn conviction that a POW spouse/parent or a missing family member remains alive despite strong evidence to the contrary. None of these people are lying: the consequences of the willed-away knowledge are simply too dire.
Religious belief seems especially prone to this sort of defensive bad faith.

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Omnivorous
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Message 132 of 148 (311083)
05-11-2006 4:40 PM
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05-11-2006 2:52 PM


Re: willful ignorance
I understand the distinction you are drawing, Ned, and I agree that it is difficult to maintain a psychological/philosophical view of human flaws in the case of an institutionalized practice that seems closer to propaganda, i.e., lies in the service of a "greater truth."
No doubt most institutions of belief harbor both knaves and fools as well as the ethical and sincere.
Still, group psychology is, if anything, even stranger than the individual. Examples of a diverse population turning on itself murderously after decades of apparently friendly coexistence abound--I'm sure those who became mobs felt the "rightness" of their conduct and the "truth" of their beliefs.
That people can hack each other to death over ethnic or doctrinal differences in the name of a divine being who ostensibly forbids such conduct demonstrates how deeply bad faith can go.

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