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Coragyps
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Message 1 of 26 (437333)
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


More antiscience BS in our politicized Education Dep't....
Austin American-Statesman
See also Pharyngula's take on the issue
Page not found | ScienceBlogs
GRRRRR!

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 2 of 26 (437335)
11-29-2007 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


I don't understand the "forced resignation" bit. Why didn't she make them fire her and then sue the bastards? Perhaps she didn't want the 'fired' term on her resume, but with all the publicity that this item is getting, everyone who would consider hiring her in the future will know exactly what happened. Also, it seems she was merely alerting people to the occurrence of an educational event, a seminar. How does that conflict with her job description?

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Chiroptera
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Message 3 of 26 (437338)
11-29-2007 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


There was an article in our local paper this morning that pegged Oklahoma as one of the ten most depressed (psychologically) states.
In the coffee shop, we asked the guy reading the article to read the happiest states:
quote:
The happiest states: South Dakota, 1; Hawaii, 2; New Jersey, 3; Iowa, 4; Maryland, 5; Minnesota, 6; Louisiana, 7; Illinois, 8; North Dakota, 9; and Texas, 10.
I made the remark that Texans probably just don't know any better.
Sorry, Coragyps.

Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

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Coragyps
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Message 4 of 26 (437346)
11-29-2007 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chiroptera
11-29-2007 6:21 PM


that pegged Oklahoma as one of the ten most depressed (psychologically) states.
That's probably because of the 3.2 beer.....
Actually, that's damn interesting. I lived in Duncan, OK for 16 years before moving here, and the culture is very similar in the two places. I attributed the depression I suffered from up there more to working for Halliburton than to the state....

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jar
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Message 5 of 26 (437348)
11-29-2007 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


ID and Creationism can only exist in an avoidance environment
This is pretty much expected. The only way that ID or Biblical Creationism can exist is in an environment where they are sheltered from challenge. This is just more of the proof that ID and Creationism are bankrupt and can only be sold on the Midway of the Carny like Snake Oil and even then, only if you can keep the lights low so folk can't see the pea being palmed.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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Message 6 of 26 (438470)
12-04-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chiroptera
11-29-2007 6:21 PM


I think it is funny that Utah is the "saddest state".
You'd think, if the Mormons have the correct God mojo like they think they do, that Utah would be the happiest state in the union.

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Coragyps
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Message 7 of 26 (438473)
12-04-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by nator
12-04-2007 8:16 PM


Mormonism proscribes caffein.
No coffee, no smiley.

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Jon
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Message 8 of 26 (438503)
12-04-2007 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Chiroptera
11-29-2007 6:21 PM


Minnesota, 6
DARN TOOTIN'

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IrishRockhound
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Message 9 of 26 (438514)
12-05-2007 3:49 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Coragyps
12-04-2007 8:23 PM


Do they ban tea as well, because that has caffeine in it? If so, I really, really feel for you guys.
Don't they know that drugs are god's way of telling you he wants you to be happy?

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Granny Magda
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Message 10 of 26 (438921)
12-06-2007 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


What a disgrace. What happened to this woman's first amendment rights? Creationists care more about stifling debate than they do about the US constitution. None of this bodes well for the new curriculum.

Mutate and Survive

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Chiroptera
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Message 11 of 26 (438956)
12-06-2007 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Granny Magda
12-06-2007 3:33 PM


What happened to this woman's first amendment rights?
Well, the First Amendment protects the right of free expression of an individual acting as a private individual. It doesn't protect people who make comments on the authority of their position -- an employer or organization may place limits on an employee or officer acting in her official capacity (and therefore representing the organization).
Also, if the position is basically a political appointment, then the appointers can basically terminate her position for any reason that they want.

If it's truly good and powerful, it deserves to engender a thousand misunderstandings. -- Ben Ratcliffe

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Buzsaw
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Message 12 of 26 (438959)
12-06-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by jar
11-29-2007 7:01 PM


Re: ID and Creationism can only exist in an avoidance environment
The most blessed & free nation on the planet's founders as well as the majority of it's citizens have bought into that snake oil for the last two centuries and enjoyed the blessings of the maker/designer for doing so and acknowledging him for his wonderful work.
Btw, did you read about the FYI which may have been a factor in the resignation? Sometimes attitude matters.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Coragyps
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From: Snyder, Texas, USA
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Message 13 of 26 (438962)
12-06-2007 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
12-06-2007 7:38 PM


Btw, did you read about the FYI which may have been a factor in the resignation? Sometimes attitude matters.
And how does one determine "attitude" from the letters FYI added electronically to an email? That's apparently all Comer did to the email about Dr Forrest's talk. Well, that and hit the "Forward" and "Send" buttons.

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jar
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Message 14 of 26 (438963)
12-06-2007 8:01 PM
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12-06-2007 7:38 PM


Re: ID and Creationism can only exist in an avoidance environment
The most blessed & free nation on the planet's founders as well as the majority of it's citizens have bought into that snake oil for the last two centuries and enjoyed the blessings of the maker/designer for doing so and acknowledging him for his wonderful work.
Well Buz, maybe you can start yet another thread on that nonsense and it can be blown away again. Otherwise it is just another Special Pleading. see How can "Creationism" be supported?
If you think that ID or Biblical Creationism can stand up to examination, maybe you can present a model that explains the evidence in any one of the MANY threads here at EvC?
We are looking for a model for sand, the stars, the Grand Canyon, Oetzi, the various civilizations around the world 6000 years ago, angular unconformities, ERVs, Salt domes and beds, correlations and radiometric dating just to mention a few. Maybe you can present the model no Creation Scientists has proposed.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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anglagard
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Message 15 of 26 (439000)
12-07-2007 1:39 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
12-06-2007 7:38 PM


Religious Test for Public Employees
Buzsaw writes:
The most blessed & free nation on the planet's founders as well as the majority of it's citizens have bought into that snake oil for the last two centuries and enjoyed the blessings of the maker/designer for doing so and acknowledging him for his wonderful work.
Btw, did you read about the FYI which may have been a factor in the resignation? Sometimes attitude matters.
And which attitude should the head of science education in Texas have? Do they have to pass a religious test, such as support for YECism or ID, in direct violation of, and hypocritically against, science?
Which specific puny religious cult are we required to support to please your Taliban sensibilities in order to be a public employee in this state? Why should a minority of people, ignorant of both science and the Bible be allowed to micromanage education?
Evidently, you don't seem to understand that the US Constitution specifically forbids a religious test for officeholders. Given the obvious intent of such founders, why and how should such a religious test apply to state employees?
Sorry Buz, your disrespect for the ideals that created this nation, and your red-hot desire to replace the rule of law under the Constitution and Bill of Rights in regard to freedom of religion don't play as well as you may think around these parts.
Even if the forces that seek to destroy science education in this state temporarily succeed, they will soon find the corporations leaving in droves to places where they can rely upon a properly educated workforce, just as happened in Kansas.
Then the religious fanatics and their demagogic leadership will come to a reckoning, face to face with their one true god -- money.
Edited by anglagard, : change title of post
Edited by anglagard, : replace term creationism with YECism
Edited by anglagard, : puny religious cult

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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