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Author Topic:   Fundamentalists (of all stripes) at it again (Re: Textbook Wars: Religion in History)
truthlover
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Message 149 of 194 (284591)
02-07-2006 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by crashfrog
01-25-2006 8:18 PM


Re: multi-culturalism
Michael Savage? Who was recently awarded several times by the AP?
This was a rather stunning statement to read. I looked on Google, but I couldn't find any reference to these awards. I was already quite surprised that anyone let Michael Savage talk on their radio station, but I figured ratings are ratings, and money must be more important that worries about what Michael Savage might say next. But that someone actually gave him an award for something?
Please tell me this is some statistical award, like most listeners for an evening show or something.
I remember in the 1980's, when we heard that the USA's top-rated TV show would be debuting on the Armed Forces Network in Germany. We didn't own a TV back then, but we were curious enough about this celebrated program to go to a friend's house to watch it. When we saw a woman stand in a kitchen for a half hour and insult the people that walked through, we wondered what had happened to America while we were in Germany.
Hearing that Michael Savage won AP awards arouses exactly the same feeling. Say it's not so!

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truthlover
Member (Idle past 4059 days)
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From: Selmer, TN
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Message 189 of 194 (285217)
02-09-2006 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Omnivorous
02-08-2006 11:51 AM


Re: Marin Luther, Supporter of Feudalism
Martin Luther was no social reformer, that's for sure. I've read some scholars suggest that he helped create a general climate of reform, but he told the serfs who hoped for a better deal to shut up and obey their lords.
Worse than that, when they didn't and instead rose up against the lords, he told the lords they could obtain salvation by spilling the blood of the peasants.
Whatever church reforms he favored, he wanted to maintain the social status quo the Church rested upon.
Actually, I think he may never have thought of any alternative to the status quo. The church and state were married in his day, and he never challenged that. He created a new church, but he left the power to enforce that religion in the power of the lords, and conversion to Lutheranism was from lord to lord, with all the serfs required to follow, not from person to person.
Also, every one of Martin Luther's 95 theses concerned only one Catholic practice, which was indulgences. The book A World Lit Only by Fire makes a pretty good case (IMHO) that Martin Luther's reformation was much more a tax reform than a religious one.
On the other hand, both the religious and governmental effects of that Reformation were immense.

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